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    #31
    Originally posted by SugarKaineHook
    nothing tops Tyson vs Golota. Duva called him a ''****sucker'' on live Showtime
    Then they found out Golota had a fractured skull and concussion afterwards in the hospital...

    Golota was a bit of a nutcase (like when he kept teeing off on bowes ballsack) but he was genuinely injured in the tyson fight.

    His corner should have been ashamed of themselves for trying to force him to fight and the crowd reacted like animals pelting him with trash. A fighter's corner is there to protect them.

    If he kept going and ended up like Magomed after his trainers forced him to keep fighting on live TV vs tyson I wonder what wouldve happened to boxing.
    Last edited by ////; 11-27-2016, 03:38 AM.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Redd Foxx
      So, you're OK with fighters quitting half-way through just because it looks like they're going to lose? What a shyt sport that would be.

      Leonard should have quit against Hearns?
      Chavez should have given up against Taylor?

      The whole argument for Walters before this fight was his power. He's a disgraceful quitter for robbing the fans and Loma of a full fight and it's cheap to defend a coward like him.
      Generally speaking no, I'm not OK with fighters quitting but I think we've been over it a million times too that we have to respect how dangerous this sport is and fighters have to protect their health too. I get if you're incensed about being cheated of a 'genuine' ending to this but we should never label pro fighters 'cowards' and mean it while we say it, I've been telling myself this for a good while now.

      Walters was going to get stopped so I don't see why you needed to see him get hurt in the process too. He was outclassed.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Weltschmerz
        Generally speaking no, I'm not OK with fighters quitting but I think we've been over it a million times too that we have to respect how dangerous this sport is and fighters have to protect their health too. I get if you're incensed about being cheated of a 'genuine' ending to this but we should never label pro fighters 'cowards' and mean it while we say it, I've been telling myself this for a good while now.

        Walters was going to get stopped so I don't see why you needed to see him get hurt in the process too. He was outclassed.
        I generally defend guys who are damaged and at risk. I'm not one of these who call Matthysee or Ortiz cowards. I don't believe that a guy must physically be rendered unconscious for the other to win (which is something that saddens me about mma).
        However, Nick didn't even try to weather the storm. Being hurt is one thing, being frustrated is another entirely.

        The fans deserve better, as did Loma.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Redd Foxx
          I generally defend guys who are damaged and at risk. I'm not one of these who call Matthysee or Ortiz cowards. I don't believe that a guy must physically be rendered unconscious for the other to win (which is something that saddens me about mma).
          However, Nick didn't even try to weather the storm. Being hurt is one thing, being frustrated is another entirely.

          The fans deserve better, as did Loma.
          After that seventh round, though, did you see Walters being able to do anything? Walters didn't come in to get spanked. This was mastery, man. I don't believe in quitting either but Loma would have TKO'd him. I have no doubt.

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            #35
            Originally posted by anthonydavid11
            After that seventh round, though, did you see Walters being able to do anything? Walters didn't come in to get spanked. This was mastery, man. I don't believe in quitting either but Loma would have TKO'd him. I have no doubt.
            You can take 90% of the fights we see and, in the 7th round, say who is going to win.
            Like I said, the one thing everyone gave Walters was the power advantage. He was landing left hooks to the body throughout most of the fight. He always had the puncher's chance and wasn't physically beaten down. It's a little transparent that since are trying to make it out a if Walters was physically destroyed for some reason. Even the guys ringside said he looked fine. Loma clearly out classed him. But, Nicholas mentally wilted. I give Loma credit for that but I also give Walters much shame. There is an expectation in boxing that the fighters will show heart. Walters failed to do that for the fans.
            Last edited by Redd Foxx; 11-27-2016, 03:55 AM.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Redd Foxx
              You can take 90% of the fights we see and, in the 7th round, say who is going to win.
              Like I said, the one thing everyone gave Walters was the power advantage. He was landing left hooks to the body throughout most of the fight. He always had the puncher's chance and wasn't physically beaten down. It's a little transparent that since are trying to make it out a if Walters was physically destroyed for some reason. Even the guys ringside said he looked fine. Loma clearly out classed him. But, Nicholas mentally wilted. I give Loma credit for that but I also give Walters much shame.
              Aw man. There wasn't much physical about it. He beat him mentally so bad that he quit was my point. He outclassed him and made so many gestures to say, "Hey. You're not in my league" and the Axeman believed him and I really can't say that they even belonged in the same ring after that. A lot of fighters would fight through it but maybe Walters has to feel he has a chance or some way to get an edge to keep going. Obviously he's not the Shannon Briggs who fought Vitali and not that this is parallel. Vitali physically beat the ever living hell out of him but mentally beat is kind of the point to the sport. Right?

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                #37
                Originally posted by SugarKaineHook
                nothing tops Tyson vs Golota. Duva called him a ''****sucker'' on live Showtime
                This wasn't Lou Duva training Golota, it was Al Certo, but that **** was funny as hell at the time, but I remember watching Golota giving a post fight interview afterwards and his speech was very incoherent and he seemed to have brain/mental problems, we would never know what goes on in these fighters' heads at that level of boxing.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by anthonydavid11
                  Aw man. There wasn't much physical about it. He beat him mentally so bad that he quit was my point. He outclassed him and made so many gestures to say, "Hey. You're not in my league" and the Axeman believed him and I really can't say that they even belonged in the same ring after that. A lot of fighters would fight through it but maybe Walters has to feel he has a chance or some way to get an edge to keep going. Obviously he's not the Shannon Briggs who fought Vitali and not that this is parallel. Vitali physically beat the ever living hell out of him but mentally beat is kind of the point to the sport. Right?
                  Yes, that's kinda the whole point. Mental strength is a big thing in this sport. That's why guys like Abe Sanchez showed respect for Ward for perhaps the first time because he was knocked down by the killer and didn't mentally quit. Even fighters who lose or have corner stoppages get respect for trying. Nick didn't even let it get to the point that his corner thought he should stop. That's pretty bad.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Redd Foxx
                    Yes, that's kinda the whole point. Mental strength is a big thing in this sport. That's why guys like Abe Sanchez showed respect for Ward for perhaps the first time because he was knocked down by the killer and didn't mentally quit. Even fighters who lose or have corner stoppages get respect for trying. Nick didn't even let it get to the point that his corner thought he should stop. That's pretty bad.
                    It's definitely mostly mental. When adversity strikes is what separates everybody. Showing skills and beating the no hopers is one thing, but when a guy has you guessing and frustrated and of course hurt, then that's where you show what you're made of. I think it was a hopeless case for Walters. He was never going to land that big right and he knew it, but of course, he would get more respect for finishing the fight. I agree. Still, doesn't that make Loma look like a beast?

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Weltschmerz
                      It's not as if there's any reason to believe Walters would have turned things around.


                      You can always turn a fight around, especially if you have power.

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