Kovalev p4p #1 Ward #2

[Boxer149]

Top 5 P4P Rankings after last night

1. Chocolatito
2. Ward
3. Kovalev
4. Golovkin
5. Canelo

[Motorcity Cobra]

What do you mean traditional sense? Being an out boxer and controlling distance? Kovalev was better at that range. Ward took over when he got inside and made it a dog fight. And he was very effective with his jab.

It's hard to explain but the best analogy I can think of is I think Golden State was a better basketball team than Cleveland last year but Cleveland found a way to win. Does that make any sense?

[Motorcity Cobra]

Top 5 P4P Rankings after last night

1. Chocolatito
2. Ward
3. Kovalev
4. Golovkin
5. Canelo

Gonzalez lost to Cuadras. I don't care what anybody says. What rds did Gonzalez win after the 6th? You had to have Gonzalez up 5-1 going into the 7th in order for him to win that fight and he wasn't up 5-1 going into the 7th

[Boxer149]

Top 5 P4P after last night

1. Chocolatito
2. Ward
3. Kovalev
4. GGG
5. Canelo

[Boxer149]

Gonzalez lost to Cuadras. I don't care what anybody says. What rds did Gonzalez win after the 6th? You had to have Gonzalez up 5-1 going into the 7th in order for him to win that fight and he wasn't up 5-1 going into the 7th

Gonzalez-Cuadras was another close fight that can be argued just like what we saw last night. Your personal opinion doesn't change what the rankings should be. Cuadras is absolutely no pushover but by that logic you would include him in your pound for pound list-- and he is not a pound for pound fighter

[Motorcity Cobra]

Gonzalez-Cuadras was another close fight that can be argued just like what we saw last night. Your personal opinion doesn't change what the rankings should be. Cuadras is absolutely no pushover but by that logic you would include him in your pound for pound list-- and he is not a pound for pound fighter

I never thought Gonzalez was a P4P fighter. Nice accomplishments on paper but against who? And he was a weight bully. Soon as he fought someone his size we saw what happened. Resume is the most important thing in my book when it comes to P4P. Looking good against bums shouldn't rank you. Looking mediocre against top fighters is better than looking good against bums

[pesticid]

Because two top fighters fought each other. A close win over a top fighter is with way more than a KO of a bum. When you're fighting a top fighter you aren't going to look as good as you would fighting a can. I don't get why people don't understand this when it comes to P4P rankings. Even in Kovalev's close loss he proved he could box with one of the best of this generation. People like you would've made him P4P #1 if he KO'd Sharbanskky last night. That's not how it works.

Not really. If Andre Wards throws a total of 8 right hands over 12 rounds and Kovalev can't dominate a one-handed fighter who has always been a one-handed fighter. Ward has a worse right hand that DLH, than Cotto, pretty much the worse right hand in boxing among elite fighters and yeah I scored if for him. Kovalev on the other hand can't even dominate a one-handed fighter with no power. How do you make Ward P4P # 1 after Brand, Barrera and Tonight?

[Boxer149]

[QUOTE=Motorcity Cobra;17214678]I never thought Gonzalez was a P4P fighter. Nice accomplishments on paper but against who? And he was a weight bully. Soon as he fought someone his size we saw what happened. Resume is the most important thing in my book when it comes to P4P. Looking good against bums shouldn't rank you. Looking mediocre against top fighters is better than looking good against bums


There are countless fighters that can be considered weight bullies across all weight classes, brother. That is just the nature of boxing. Gonzalez has fought the best fighters available to him so far, and been mostly impressive in victory. People question against who because nobody is familiar with the lowest weight classes in general. He is at a pound for pound level right now-time will tell if the increase in weight class brings him down

[PivotandRoll]

I don't care if you had Ward winning. Kovalev proved last night he can box his ass off. P4P isn't about how you look knocking out bums in impressive fashion. It's about how you look against top competition. After last night who do you see outboxing Kovalev? Ward didn't outbox him. He had to dig deep and will his way to a win.

I'm happy for Kovalev. Dude goes anywhere to fight anybody. Doesn't complain about money or the politics of the sport. Even last night he didn't whine. He just wants his rematch and settle it in the ring. He made a lot of new fans last night. My casual friends were texting me saying he got robbed. I hope the PPV numbers are good for Kovalev's sake. He deserves to be a household name.

You think that fight was fought at a higher skill level than Thurman-Porter? Frampton-Cruz Crawford-Postol? Cotto-Canelo?

You sir, don't know what you are watching, ain't Ward or Kovalev P4P.

[-PBP-]

It's hard to explain but the best analogy I can think of is I think Golden State was a better basketball team than Cleveland last year but Cleveland found a way to win. Does that make any sense?

Yes. I feel Kovalev's lack of inside game cost him the fight. Just like Golden State's lack of an inside presence/rim protector cost them the finals.

This fight shows the importance of being a well rounded fighter and mastering all distances. This is why I can't rate fighters like Rigondeaux and Golovkin as master boxers until I see more.