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  • Madison Boxing
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    #21
    Originally posted by anthonydavid11
    Andre Ward is what's wrong with boxing. His fight with Kessler is a disgrace to the sport. I'd seen it before, but man, this guy is terrible. Between the fouls that were all looked over, the biased commentary and the showing his wife in the crowd and bringing in his kids to show "Hey, he's a good guy." What a joke.

    What was up with his right glove in the ninth? Something was going on bad with this fight. I have no respect for him anymore. Y'all better watch out Saturday night. Everything will be in his corner. Kessler said he couldn't see between rounds. Why? His eyes weren't swollen shut. He got butted so much he couldn't see. This is pathetic. Ward is a low down piece of trash. How do you have FIVE accidental head butts?
    well said, will send green k. What ward does in the ring, is downright scumbag tactics and people turn a blind eye to it. He could do serious, serious damage with his headbutts, and people should see the elbow he landed on bika. And its disgusting that no ref has properly penalised him for this, and people say that american boxing isnt bias to the home fighter lol, he sure as **** wouldnt get away with that any place else. Oh well, im sure the american ref will be really strict on him on saturday, not.

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    • mlac
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      #22
      Originally posted by Redd Foxx
      If you ever get the ability to articulate a point, feel free to jump in.
      i feel that laughing at you, pretty much say's it better than any articulated sentences, as that clearly would be a loss on you as you are blatently biased af.

      https://********/i1SVvyx8sR0?t=1m4s

      ^ and you think its debatable that's on purpose?

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      • Canelo and GGG
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        #23
        Originally posted by Redd Foxx
        Show me. Even the Kesslet headbutts can be debated regarding intention but lets go beyond that and you qualify what you just said regarding a "career of headbutts".
        Ward- Bika headbutt +Elbow ,Kassler fight,Froch fight

        Kassler fight is so blatant that i cant belive you defend it Red

        Abraham fight Headbutt ,Elbow in Froch fight ,like come on this bruva is as dirty as they come

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        • Redd Foxx
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          #24
          Originally posted by mlac
          i feel that laughing at you, pretty much say's it better than any articulated sentences, as that clearly would be a loss on you as you are blatently biased af.

          https://********/i1SVvyx8sR0?t=1m4s

          ^ and you think its debatable that's on purpose?
          I don't expect you to take anything away from this as you're too biased but for everyone else, here we go;

          1) Andre ALWAYS keep his head close to the opponent's when inside. He was taught this and it's part of the reason he is able to bully without getting hit. Being ear to ear makes it harder for them to hit you and actually PREVENTS headbutts because the heads are together. A gaps allow the heads to crack together when one guy moves. I know this because my coach taught me the same thing and I have discovered first hand why you don't want your heads far apart.

          2) When Andre moves in on Kessler in the gif below, he's clearly trying to get inside. If he were trying to headbutt, it would be the most self-damaging and inefficient headbut in history because he's going temple-first toward Kessler's forehead. No headbutter uses his temple to attack a forehead. They use the dome of the skull. Also, he's getting UPPERCUTTED! Where do you expect his head to go with a fist knocking it up?
          [IMG]https://media.*****.com/media/vwRBec96nYA1y/*****.gif[/IMG]

          3) In the gif Freedom likes to use, (which I can't find but it's in the above vid) Kessler is in one position when Andre ducks his head. Had Kessler stayed there, Andre would have been right beside him when he went upright again. Kessler moves his head toward Andre while Andre is down and when Andre comes back up again, they clash. At no point can Ward see that Kessler has moved his head. Were he aiming at him he would have turned to the left because that's were Kellser was when Andre ducked down. Ward is thrusting himself forward to duck under and come up in a clinch.

          If people are starving to see him to something illegal, I can show you clips of him attacking with the elbow and blatantly fowling. I have no interest in pretending he doesn't get gritty. Those two butts though are misunderstood by people who don't know what they're looking at.

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          • Redd Foxx
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            #25
            Originally posted by Canelo and GGG

            Kassler fight is so blatant that i cant belive you defend it Red
            See the above.

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            • mlac
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              #26
              Originally posted by Redd Foxx
              See the above.
              *insert did not read gif here*

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              • Larry the boss
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                #27
                Ya'll are getting nervous as hell

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Redd Foxx
                  See the above.
                  So 2 of 5 was random? ok still 3 to go,yea i saw elbows.

                  and its ok that your trainer thought you,but moveing in like this you need to be aware that headbutt can happen.

                  I dont care who wins,i prefer Kova doe,but im not deep in LHW,just dont like headbutts ,Evander Holyfield was great fighter but he was dirty as **** and everybody knew it (Fameouse Rakhman fight) ,same with Ward his good but his ilegal tatics are fact.

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                  • Tony Trick-Pony
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by bigdramashow
                    well said, will send green k. What ward does in the ring, is downright scumbag tactics and people turn a blind eye to it. He could do serious, serious damage with his headbutts, and people should see the elbow he landed on bika. And its disgusting that no ref has properly penalised him for this, and people say that american boxing isnt bias to the home fighter lol, he sure as **** wouldnt get away with that any place else. Oh well, im sure the american ref will be really strict on him on saturday, not.
                    Yes, I'd seen the Kessler fight before, but I don't know. I watched it on a bigger TV and was paying more attention since the last time I saw it and it just struck me as a flat out robbery. It is sad so many excuses are made for him. Some people are all for win at all cost and the ends justify the means, but it's BS and with referees who do their job, it wouldn't go down. Green K back at you, man.

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                    • Tony Trick-Pony
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                      #30
                      See what I mean? This guy throws up that religious front, but deep down, he's a cheating mean a$$ SOB.

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