The reason I won't say Canelo is ducking. [GGG is ducking Canelo either btw]

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  • Hov
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    The reason I won't say Canelo is ducking. [GGG is ducking Canelo either btw]

    Canelo has never fought at 160. People say he had the belt and gave up his title, but how did he get that title. Canelo won that title fighting Cotto. Cotto is not a middleweight. And in the fight Canelo won the belt, they fought at a 155 pound catch weight. He didn't fight Cotto because he he was chasing a middleweight belt. He fought Cotto because it was a huge fight that could mad and because there was an agreed catch weight. If GGG offered to fight Canelo at a 155 pound catch weight and Canelo refused then I would say he ducked. He would be ducking because he fought Cotto with those same conditions that refused to fight GGG with. You not a duck in my eyes for refusing to fight at a weight you never fought at.

    When Canelo fought Mayweather, Mayweather had the junior middleweight title (that he won from Cotto) but Floyd still fought him at a catch weight and not the 154 pound limit. It was understandable for Mayweather to fight at 152 pounds because he's not truly a junior middleweight. He won that belt from a guy that was a former 147 pounder. He didn't win it from a big 154 pounder. What did Canelo do, he agreed to the catch weight because it was a big fight.

    Canelo didn't duck GGG and Golovkin didn't duck Canelo. It is understandable for Canelo to want to fight at a catch weight because he is not a middleweight, won the title at a catch weight against a former welterweight, and because he never refused to fight GGG at 155.

    GGG didn't duck Canelo because he is a middleweight and that is his best weight/weight he is most comfortable with. Just like you can't say Canelo is a duck for not fighting at a weight he's never fought at, you can't expect GGG to fight at a weight that he doesn't currently fight at and would be difficult for him to make.


    Now do I personally think that GGG should've at least entertained a catch weight, like fighting at a weight like 156 or 157? Yes because it is a big fight, Canelo is the bigger star, and the bigger guy normally agrees to fight at a catch weight for those type of opportunities. Is he a duck for refusing? No!! He's not a duck to refuse to fight at a weight he's not comfortable with. Canelo agreed to a catch weight even though the junior middleweight belt was on the line and agreed to at 152 pounds instead of the 154 pound limit. He did it because he was the bigger guy, Mayweather was the more known/accomplished fighter, and it was a huge fight and payday. But even though Canelo agreed to those terms, he lost that fight though and has said he regretted cutting to that weight. It is perfectly reasonable for Golovkin to fear a weight cut and not want to do it. Canelo himself has confirmed the validity of Golovkin's fear and hesitancy in agreeing to a catch weight with his own words after the Mayweather fight (even though I think Canelo was making excuses). Canelo should be the last person to call somebody out for not want to cut more weight after his own experience.
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      #3
      Originally posted by Hov
      Canelo has never fought at 160. People say he had the belt and gave up his title, but how did he get that title. Canelo won that title fighting Cotto. Cotto is not a middleweight. And in the fight Canelo won the belt, they fought at a 155 pound catch weight. He didn't fight Cotto because he he was chasing a middleweight belt. He fought Cotto because it was a huge fight that could mad and because there was an agreed catch weight. If GGG offered to fight Canelo at a 155 pound catch weight and Canelo refused then I would say he ducked. He would be ducking because he fought Cotto with those same conditions that refused to fight GGG with. You not a duck in my eyes for refusing to fight at a weight you never fought at.

      When Canelo fought Mayweather, Mayweather had the junior middleweight title (that he won from Cotto) but Floyd still fought him at a catch weight and not the 154 pound limit. It was understandable for Mayweather to fight at 152 pounds because he's not truly a junior middleweight. He won that belt from a guy that was a former 147 pounder. He didn't win it from a big 154 pounder. What did Canelo do, he agreed to the catch weight because it was a big fight.

      Canelo didn't duck GGG and Golovkin didn't duck Canelo. It is understandable for Canelo to want to fight at a catch weight because he is not a middleweight, won the title at a catch weight against a former welterweight, and because he never refused to fight GGG at 155.

      GGG didn't duck Canelo because he is a middleweight and that is his best weight/weight he is most comfortable with. Just like you can't say Canelo is a duck for not fighting at a weight he's never fought at, you can't expect GGG to fight at a weight that he doesn't currently fight at and would be difficult for him to make.


      Now do I personally think that GGG should've at least entertained a catch weight, like fighting at a weight like 156 or 157? Yes because it is a big fight, Canelo is the bigger star, and the bigger guy normally agrees to fight at a catch weight for those type of opportunities. Is he a duck for refusing? No!! He's not a duck to refuse to fight at a weight he's not comfortable with. Canelo agreed to a catch weight even though the junior middleweight belt was on the line and agreed to at 152 pounds instead of the 154 pound limit. He did it because he was the bigger guy, Mayweather was the more known/accomplished fighter, and it was a huge fight and payday. But even though Canelo agreed to those terms, he lost that fight though and has said he regretted cutting to that weight. It is perfectly reasonable for Golovkin to fear a weight cut and not want to do it. Canelo himself has confirmed the validity of Golovkin's fear and hesitancy in agreeing to a catch weight with his own words after the Mayweather fight (even though I think Canelo was making excuses). Canelo should be the last person to call somebody out for not want to cut more weight after his own experience.
      Right now they are in agreement on the weight. Money is the big issue. There is no problem with 160, per all parties stating as such.

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        Originally posted by OctoberRed
        Right now they are in agreement on the weight. Money is the big issue. There is no problem with 160, per all parties stating as such.
        Cool. Canelo can go up and fight him. He should be commended for doing so. My point was that if Canelo wasn't willing to go up to 160 and fight GGG (this is what people said about Canelo), he's not ducking GGG and shouldn't be called one either. Nor is Golovkin ducking. People are quick to berate and insult fighters for anything. These dudes are not in the same weight division so nobody should have these ridiculous expectations that they must fight now.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Hov
          Cool. Canelo can go up and fight him. He should be commended for doing so. My point was that if Canelo wasn't willing to go up to 160 and fight GGG (this is what people said about Canelo), he's not ducking GGG and shouldn't be called one either. Nor is Golovkin ducking. People are quick to berate and insult fighters for anything. These dudes are not in the same weight division so nobody should have these ridiculous expectations that they must fight now.
          The problem is, there's no 155 or 156 division. He's made 154 once in 3 years, having to waive VADA testing. The guy is a MW, just doesn't wanna fight the MW champ

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            #6
            Originally posted by HeroBando
            The problem is, there's no 155 or 156 division. He's made 154 once in 3 years, having to waive VADA testing. The guy is a MW, just doesn't wanna fight the MW champ
            There wasnt a 152 division when canelo took the floyd fight, the red kid really wanted that fight... stop making excuses and demand for better fights..

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              #7
              Originally posted by icha
              There wasnt a 152 division when canelo took the floyd fight, the red kid really wanted that fight... stop making excuses and demand for better fights..
              That's really admirable he dropped 2lbs to fight a guy 15lbs smaller, for 5x his career high + massive upside

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                #8
                Originally posted by Hov
                Cool. Canelo can go up and fight him. He should be commended for doing so. My point was that if Canelo wasn't willing to go up to 160 and fight GGG (this is what people said about Canelo), he's not ducking GGG and shouldn't be called one either. Nor is Golovkin ducking. People are quick to berate and insult fighters for anything. These dudes are not in the same weight division so nobody should have these ridiculous expectations that they must fight now.
                You seen how people use the term 'ducking' around here, my man? Myself I only ever use it in reference to avoiding a mandatory, and not always then. Canelo would have been well advised to drop that trinket sooner, but aside from that was never under any obligation to fight GGG any more than GGG is to accept offers he considers unreasonable or accept a CW he might feel is disadvantageous.

                Sometimes think this site would do better with the word 'ducking' on the auto-censor, cept the sheer number of ****s would make the place look like the night fkn sky.

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                • icha
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by HeroBando
                  That's really admirable he dropped 2lbs to fight a guy 15lbs smaller, for 5x his career high + massive upside
                  A 154 title unification fight at a non existent 152 lb division right??
                  Or we are making exceptions now???

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                  • HeroBando
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by icha
                    A 154 title unification fight at a non existent 152 lb division right??
                    Or we are making exceptions now???
                    No that was really lame of Floyd, after crucifying PAC for years for the CWs. Differences:

                    1. Floyd is a legit midget next to Canelo, 15lbs fight night minimum
                    2. He actually made an offer, at a reasonable Cw, unlike belt forfeiting duck Canelo. Upside included

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