Golovkin said anyone from 154 to 168 then ducked Ward, Lara, Ramirez and Degale

[robertzimmerman]

He can't get near they much fighting anyone else. Pac was making $20 mil a fight. With his PPV upside it was close to $30mil. Pac more than Floyd's offer in only two fights. It'll take GGG 5 fights to make what Canelo offered him and none of those fights will be on PPV. He doesn't have the options Pac had. If he turns down the fight who is he gonna fight in September?

Canelo can't earn the money that a GG fight would generate with anyone else.

He's not going to fight Manny, and I doubt very much Floyd would give him a rematch.

How will it take GG 5 fights to make $10m? Stop exaggerating.

If he turns down the fight, who will Canelo fight? Canelo hasn't got great options. Brook says he's staying at WW, and a Cotto rematch wouldn't do great business. He could maybe fight Saunders before GG, but if he wins, and if GG has beaten Jacobs at that point, then what? Once the remaining belt holders have been taken out of the equation, there'd be nobody else left in the division who was a big/relevant fight.

[robertzimmerman]

I was very su****ious of Team GGG from the beginning, I kept saying no one was ducking him, Why? Because I have seen this sort of marketing move before, especially with power punchers.

For me their decision making over the last two years has made me doubt them so much. Yes there are fighters who are not that willing to get in the ring with GGG but at the same time there are fighters who are willing to.

I just hope we get better competition with him soon enough, But it seems contrary to what they are sprouting out Team GGG are just about making money off GG back.

He accepted step-aside money because Cotto was never going to fight him. So he got paid, fought Lemieux for the IBF, knowing that the Cotto-Canelo winner had to fight him or relinquish the belt.

[robertzimmerman]

your point is valid, a split is fair, but the more likely scenario is that if ggg doesnt take the offer he gets a middle finger and the fight wont happen next year, we all know that benefits canelo a lot... imo a win over canelo could bring a lot more for ggg than a split... but we just have to wait and see how this unfolds...

They can give him the middle finger. It won't benefit Canelo. It will just put him under even more pressure. He hasn't got a lot of options, and unless both fighters lose, sooner or later they're going to run out of relevant opponents to fight.

[robertzimmerman]

Why will it be huge? It will be huge because Canelo will be going up against someone who most people think will beat him. Casuals don't care about Golovkin. They care that Canelo might lose. Canelo has all the leverage. If Golovkin doesn't like the $10m offer Canelo won't sweat. He'll make big $$$ against anyone.

Again, GG plays a part in making it huge. Therefore, he deserves a split.

Canelo doesn't have all of the leverage at all. You're kidding yourself.

Canelo will sweat if the fight doesn't get made. Because he hasn't got a lot of options, his last fight just bombed, and the pressure to fight GG once he's officially at MW will be unbearable.

He won't make big $$$ against anyone.

[robertzimmerman]

It's not the same principle. Pac had options. And those options allowed him to make more than that in two fights. GGG doesn't have options & would have to fight 5 bums to make what Canelo is offering. Pac was on PPV every fight after that offer. GGG can't get on PPV without Canelo!

It's exactly the same.

Manny couldn't make $40m against anyone else back in 2011 or whenever it was, but in the end, he made significantly more from a split. And Floyd could never have made the money he made against Manny fighting anyone else.

GG would not have to fight 5 times to make $10m.

[robertzimmerman]

Hopkins was at a similar stage. Fighting bums & people complaining.

Hopkins was in his 40's and had achieved everything at the weight, and Oscar was a peak WW who was very lucky to beat Sturm. He had no business at MW.

[robertzimmerman]

[B]1[/B ] Why? To secure teh fight. Damn a fighter you swear is ducking you but he offers you a contract to fight him and you refuse to sign damn so you have faith this ducking coward will offer you the fight again in a year and with better terms and money? lmfao sure.....


[B]2[/B ] Excuses. "I Did this bicthmove cause we know what he was gonna do, nevermind that I could have prevented the title bout if i had not accepted step aside money, instead i accepted the money and and claim they ducking me, double win"


[B]3[/B ] A belts a belt at teh end of the day, and ggg aint crying about lineal he only wants teh belts. He cried over the belt being contested at a catchweight, yet he didnt care about putting up his belt at a catchweight for Rosado. hypocrite much.

You've just told Ray that you're not hating on him, yet here you've called him a ducking coward.

Ha!

Hilarious.

You might want to have a rethink.


Once again, you can only see things from Oscar's side. So basically, if fighter A offers a BS contract to fighter B, and fighter B refuses, it's fighter B who's at fault?


You're such a biased idiot.

There was literally no point in him refusing the step-aside money. Get someone to explain it to you.

[Motorcity Cobra]

It's exactly the same.

Manny couldn't make $40m against anyone else back in 2011 or whenever it was, but in the end, he made significantly more from a split. And Floyd could never have made the money he made against Manny fighting anyone else.

GG would not have to fight 5 times to make $10m.

Manny had a $20 mil guarantee. After getting his PPV split he was closer to $40 mil after 1 fight than GGG would be to $10 mil after 3 fights. If GGG was making $5 mil per fight and a household name fighting on PPV then I'd say it was a low ball offer. Manny was fighting on PPV & in Vegas & an international superstar. None of which is true about GGG

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

You've just told Ray that you're not hating on him, yet here you've called him a ducking coward.

Ha!

Hilarious.

You might want to have a rethink.


Once again, you can only see things from Oscar's side. So basically, if fighter A offers a BS contract to fighter B, and fighter B refuses, it's fighter B who's at fault?


You're such a biased idiot.

There was literally no point in him refusing the step-aside money. Get someone to explain it to you.

read again calling canelo a ducking coward. You just proved you're an idiot.

Have a nice day.

[robertzimmerman]

Manny had a $20 mil guarantee. After getting his PPV split he was closer to $40 mil after 1 fight than GGG would be to $10 mil after 3 fights. If GGG was making $5 mil per fight and a household name fighting on PPV then I'd say it was a low ball offer. Manny was fighting on PPV & in Vegas & an international superstar. None of which is true about GGG

Can you not read?

Yes, the specifics were different. But the principle is EXACTLY the same.

NOBODY accepts a flat fee from a huge fight that generates millions in revenue.

The fight realistically grosses $70-80m plus.

Canelo doesn't deserve 75% of the purse.