Is It Possible for a Influential Star Boxer to NEGOTIATE FIGHT DAY Weigh Ins???

[SterlingStained]

Well?

Can it be?


Lets say, Floyd or Manny come back,

Floyd surprises everyone and says:

"you know what, i want to fight GGG, get the middleweight crown, another lineal belt, but it must be same fight day weigh ins"

ditto for lets sayyyy Pacquiao vs Canelo, @ 154lbs or @ Caneloweight @ 155lbs () but same fight day weight ins."

ditto for lets say V LomachenkGOD vs G RiGODeaux? @ 130lbs, same fight day weigh ins,

Or has fight day weigh ins been LEGALLY phased out???

Soooooooooooo sick and tired of cowards taking advantage of the 24 hr rehydration sytem where bigger fighters unnaturally shrink themselves into unnatural weights to fight smaller men then balloon a couple of divisions 24 hrs later fighting for at title they are not even fighting at the weight....

[Holystroke3]

They can always negotiate rehydration clauses and set them only slightly over the weight class limit

[SterlingStained]

They can always negotiate rehydration clauses and set them only slightly over the weight class limit

but can you negotiate same day weigh ins????

or is that just not legally allowed ever since the sport changed to 24hr rhydration from same day fight night weigh ins???

[Holystroke3]

According to WBC rules, "The final and official weigh-in of the boxers shall occur no less than 24 hours but not more than 30 hours prior to a WBC bout"

[SterlingStained]

According to WBC rules, "The final and official weigh-in of the boxers shall occur no less than 24 hours but not more than 30 hours prior to a WBC bout"

so its just up to the boxing org that has the title???

its not really against the law to have same fight day weigh ins???


so this can be negotiated into the fight contract???

[Larry the boss]

they just use rehydration clauses man

[SterlingStained]

It's not something that can be negotiated. None of the sanctioning bodies allow it and many states prohibit it, although there are a number of states with weak/non existent state athletic departments like Alabama or whatever who wouldn't/couldn't enforce it. They can negotiate a rehydration clause, if one doesn't already exist such as the IBF who state a fighter can only rehydrate a maximum of ten pounds.

Basically it boils down to the state athletic department and the sanctioning bodies. The sanctioning bodies must abide by the states rules.

There have been some changes this year in a few different places, most notably Ohio and California.

Here you can see Ohio recently changed to same day weigh ins, although from my understanding it's only in regards to MMA:

The Ohio Athletic Commission has instituted a new weigh-in policy, and it is sure to raise some eyebrows among the MMA community.

The commission sent out an email earlier today stating that pro and amateur fighters will now have to weigh-in for bouts on the same day of their event. We obtained a copy of the email below:

A new policy will be put in place starting July 1, 2016. ALL Mixed Martial Arts weigh-ins will be conducted on day of event. This includes ALL PRO AM events. The weigh-in can start as early as 10:00 AM the day of the event. This DOES NOT apply to an ALL PROFESSIONAL CARD.

[...]

Since Ohio does not regulate amateur boxing, all boxing events under the OAC are all professional and are not affected by this ruling. It also doesn’t affect all pro MMA cards, which national organizations like the UFC and Bellator put on.

https://www.bluegrassmma.com/2016/06/ohio-institutes-same-day-weigh-in-for-pros-beginning-july-1/

California has also tweaked rules this year in an effort to combat drastic weight cuts:

CSAC passed a package of new, emergency regulations regarding weight cutting at its meeting in Downtown LA. The new rules include a ban on severe dehydration to make weight, the prohibition of IVs to rehydrate and the ability to move back the time of weigh-ins.

These rules can go into effect as early as March 1. Because these were emergency rules, they were added on a trial basis and will be revisited by the commission at a later date.

[...]

CSAC will now require doctors to test for signs of dehydration in pre-fight physicals and make it part of the physician's pre-fight questionnaire.

Under the package, CSAC will now have the ability to collect urine samples from fighters for specific gravity tests, which detect proper hydration. If a fighter cannot pass that test, he or she will be given two to three hours to properly hydrate. If he or she still cannot pass the specific gravity test, the bout will be off.

If severe dehydration is verified by a physician, CSAC now has the ability to not approve a fighter to compete in that weight class in the future.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.mmafighting.com/platform/amp/2016/2/2/10900306/csac-passes-emergency-weight-cutting-rules-including-bans-on&ved=0ahUKEwic346X8cvPAhVJxWMKHQxqDj0QFgguMAU&usg=AFQjCNFT_7YIt7YDR-B3qcauqf1OkuTEVA&sig2=0oOhfKA9v-Tw7jJXQ_AUWw

that is some straight bull****.

i would like to see the medical justification for suddenly switching to 24 hr rehydration.

due to advancements in ped technology, fighters are able to weigh themselves down to unnatural weights then pack on many pounds 24 hrs later with the latest and greatest ped m asking IV "dehydration" maneuvers.

ask floyd.

ask what WADA thinks.


126 pounders fighting for the FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE should come in as 126 pounders (or close to it) intead of light weights and welterweights.


147 pounders fighting for the WELTERWEIGHT TITLE should come in as 147 pounders, not as god damn 154/160 pounders...

160 pounders fighting for the MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE should come in as 160 pounders, not as god damn lightheavyweights.




that is making a mockery of the weight class divisions.





is that just for america??? what about outside of america???

thanks for the info btw.

[SterlingStained]

they just use rehydration clauses man

i always hear that term thrown around casually yet i have yet to see evidence that rehydration clauses actually are real.

[SterlingStained]

There's pros and cons to both.

Same day weigh in doesn't prevent guys from cutting weight. Guys are still shedding pounds to make weight. Its medicallyy proven that fighting dehydrated is extremely dangerous and can and will cause serious brain damage or death. Thus the 24 your weigh in rule change.

The problem obviously with 24 hr weigh ins are guys rehydrating 20 pounds and often times having huge size/weight advantages which is dangerous for the opponent who doesn't rehydrate as much.

I think there needs to be a fair middle ground - I like the IBFs title fight rule of no more than 10 pounds rehydration, although it's early morning time and still gives plenty of hours to put on more weight, so I'd like to see that second weigh in mid day.

Or if fighters were more active, they could be similar to the amateurs and the Olympics with their same day weigh-ins where the fighters are weighed in almost daily to ensuring they are at the weight they are fighting in, which deal forces guys to fight in their natural weight classes. That's much easier to do with tournament style fighting and a very fast pace as far as how many fights they have and how quickly. That doesn't work in the pros since guys are only fighting 1-3 times a year.

if you cant make weight,

MOVE UP.

same day weigh in isnt about cutting weight,

its about preventing this ****** absurdity of light heavyweights fighting for the junior middleweight championship or pick whatever gross rehydration number some guys do.

[yngwie]

They should negotiate same day weight ins.