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  • Canelo and GGG
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    Naz Resume

    Is it even good? Kevin Kelley and Wilfredo vazques was his best wins ,Maybe Tom Johnson.

    Are we just Fooled by flashes of his Talent? First good boxer in MAB destroyed him badly.

    What do you think about him in comperesion to MAB,Morales and JMM?
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    #2
    Originally posted by Canelo and GGG
    Is it even good? Kevin Kelley and Wilfredo vazques was his best wins ,Maybe Tom Johnson.

    Are we just Fooled by flashes of his Talent? First good boxer in MAB destroyed him badly.

    What do you think about him in comperesion to MAB,Morales and JMM?
    Don't forget Wayne McCullough, Paul Ingle, Vuyani Bungu and Manuel Medina. None of those guys were cupcakes.

    I can't hold the loss to Barrera against him. Barrera reinvented himself that night by electing to box Hamed's ears off. No shame in losing to a fellow hall of famer

    Hamed went 16-1 in title fights and had a solid 3 year reign as the featherweight king. IMO he gets in on numbers alone.

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      Originally posted by Finito2K
      Don't forget Wayne McCullough, Paul Ingle, Vuyani Bungu and Manuel Medina. None of those guys were cupcakes.

      I can't hold the loss to Barrera against him. Barrera reinvented himself that night by electing to box Hamed's ears off. No shame in losing to a fellow hall of famer

      Hamed went 16-1 in title fights and had a solid 3 year reign as the featherweight king. IMO he gets in on numbers alone.
      sure 16-1 in tittle fights is good ,but my boy GGG have similar record and his resume is poor.tittle fight dont mean good oponent.

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      • nubianpiye
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        #4
        Didn't Kelly have 50 wins 1 loss when he fought Hamed?

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          #5
          Originally posted by nubianpiye
          Didn't Kelly have 50 wins 1 loss when he fought Hamed?
          He had 47 wins 1 lose 2 draws ,and he floored Naz 2 times if i remember ,so it wasnt easy fight.

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            Originally posted by Canelo and GGG
            He had 47 wins 1 lose 2 draws ,and he floored Naz 2 times if i remember ,so it wasnt easy fight.
            Ok well that's an increase do me record he as at the time he's probably become understated how good he was because he stayed around too long

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            • yngwie
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              Hamed didn't lost to the first fighter he fought, he lost to the best fighter he fought, the pocket rocket, Kelly, Papito, Ingle, Medina, Sanchez, all were good fighters, Naseem wasn't unbeatable, but he was a really tough fighter, of course some people are fooled by his style and flashiness, but other people really tries to discredit him, he was really good and probably will reach the Hall of Fame someday.

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              • LoadedWraps
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                Originally posted by Finito2K
                Don't forget Wayne McCullough, Paul Ingle, Vuyani Bungu and Manuel Medina. None of those guys were cupcakes.

                I can't hold the loss to Barrera against him. Barrera reinvented himself that night by electing to box Hamed's ears off. No shame in losing to a fellow hall of famer

                Hamed went 16-1 in title fights and had a solid 3 year reign as the featherweight king. IMO he gets in on numbers alone.

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                  I think he was overrated during his career, but criminally underrated by people after because of the way he finished.

                  Robinson
                  Medina
                  Johnson
                  Kelley
                  Vasquez
                  McCullough
                  Ingle
                  Soto
                  Bungu

                  Above are all the world champions he beat. Robinson and Soto were both cinderella man type world champions, but in Robinson's case he was on a good run up to the fight and in fairness to Hamed he was 21 years old at the time and completely dominated and humiliated Robinson, considering the age, it was a hell of a performance. In Soto's case he won the belt in an upset over Espinoza so was a legitimate belt holder, if not a weak one, totally the opposite of the Robinson performance, this was a horrible one for Hamed but he still got the W.

                  Bungu hadn't lost in 10 years and had been IBF super bantamweight champ for something like 6 years. In that run he had some impressive scalps, like Kennedy McKinney, but Hamed dispatched him in 4 rounds.

                  Tom Johnson and Vasquez were both good wins, Hamed took a belt of both guys, unifying in both cases. In fairness both had seen better days, particularly Vasquez, but again he knocked both out, and dominated for the most part.

                  A distracted Hamed decisioned McCullough in a bit of a stinker. Another fighter who mostly campaigned a division below, but he had good pedigree, his only previous loss was a SD to Daniel Zaragoza who was a top fighter. Another fight where Hamed won one sided on the cards albeit a rare boring performance. Remember after this fight, McCullough fought Erik Morales in a war which was a pretty competitive fight.

                  To me Naz's best 3 wins are his wins over Kelley, Ingle, and Medina. Everyone knows about the Kevin Kelley fight, a fight which will go down in history. In terms of the merit of the win, Kelley was a good fighter, I think Naz caught him at the end of his prime, I think the Hamed fight was his last hurrah as a top flight fighter, and he was highly motivated for it. It was a good win over a good but not elite champion.

                  Medina again a very good win, Hamed knocked him down 3 times and stopped him in a high contact war. It was a really good fight, and the fact that Medina won a version of the featherweight title 3 times after this fight showed his pedigree as a good fighter. Again I wouldn't call him elite but a good champion.

                  Hamed got a lot of stick for the Paul Ingle performance but I think in hindsight people realised it was a very good win. Another guy who went on to win a world title after Naz beat and stopped him. He beat Medina for the belt before stopping Junior Jones in a war. Unfortunately we will never know quite how good he was because he suffered a brain injury in his next fight which ended his career.

                  I think overall Hamed was the best featherweight in the world for a period of 5 years. He unified all the belts, and beat some very good fighters, without ever beating anyone truly elite. I think the main problem with him was that he peaked in his early 20's, a little bit like Mike Tyson, there are some parallels there. They both peaked early, had problems with motivation, both were huge draws, and probably underachieved overall. Both you could argue were also the best of an average/decent bunch. I don't think either guy fought in a time when their division was particularly strong, but at the same time they emphatically beat all the guys they were supposed to, and in both cases you can say without hesitation, two of the best punchers p4p in the history of the sport.

                  Naseem divided opinion, but there is no doubt that he had serious credentials and accomplishments during his reign. I am a fan, but I have also tried to be as fair and impartial as possible, I think overall his place in the HOF is justified, not only for his in-ring accomplishments, but for what he brought to the sport. He was a true cross-over star, entertainer, and he really opened up the possibility for fighters in the lower weight classes to earn 7 figure pay days, before him, it was unheard of. He was one of a kind and undoubtedly left a huge mark.

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                  • BM dnobagaV
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                    He didn't get schooled by Barrera. I re-watched it recently and only had Barrera by like 2 rounds I believe. Something like 115-112..
                    Most rounds were close, but it honestly was a hella ugly fight to watch.

                    No version of Naz would ever beat Barrera though.

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