Why Ward > Golovkin and Canelo

[Madison Boxing]

Who has Ward refused to fight?

Anyone with a pulse in last 5 years

[Lester Tutor]

I'd like to see the whole video in context. Doesn't seem like he's saying he'll beat Ward at 168, just that he can get to 168. Abel is talking promotional saying it's an easy fight. Still I'd call it a mistake because he ain't beating Ward at 168. Irrelevant now though as Ward is at 175.

The whole video in context? If Golovkin is saying he can do 154-168 "easily" then what other context is needed to assume he's talking about fighting in a lower or upper division? That video was uploaded in 2014 by Esnews.com

So ask, would be harder to make 168 then vs now? And what about that 164 catch with Ward?

I agree Abel is a dumbass, but that doesn't Golovkin from playing the part too.

"Kell Brook...juss...he too small, jusss trash talk."

Months later..

"You know...jusss...he biggest Challenge for me.."

Post fight..

"You know...jusss.. he not Middleweight."

Just stop excusing these things and giving Golovkin the benefit of the doubt. I assure everyone that living a non gullible life will save you from rotten salesmen and insurance companies...

Unless of course its all just denial and acknowledging everything behind the scenes and just trolling. Therefore, it's best to just go with the flow now, be real, amd pressure Golovkin to move up and be great with his old ass.

[Madison Boxing]

Ok big drama, Ward had promotional issues and as soon as they were resolved he set up a deal to fight Kovalev. Keep trolling though...

Promo issues for 5 years? No excuse for fighting 40 year old narcos

[j0zef]

Uh.. no. Your reasoning would kinda work if it wasn't full of misinformation.

-Ward did not "decide to skip all the BS and move up to 175". He complained about being "forced to move up", and fought 3 tuneups, two of which were balooned up SMWs. Golovkin is being challlenged to jump up and fight Ward/Kovalev winner immediatey.
And no "diva demands"? Is that a joke? The man is known as the biggest diva today. Goosen, Oakland fights, Rupert Murdoch/Brand as opponents, difficulty in Kovalev negotiations, etc.
-I'm not rehashing the same bull****. 164 was a statement made by Loeffler after the fight was already dead. All negotiations, which occured in early 2015, took place at 168. Blah blah blah 154-168, educate yourself instead of parroting 4 year old BS.
-Golovkin makes "little money"? He's one of the highest paid, highest rated boxing stars today, easily in the top10. Once again, educate yourself.


Your whole thread can be summarized "Ward is a defensive fighter, which means he has a higher chance of winnig that other styles". That part is true. But majority of other things you used as support is bull****.

[Redd Foxx]

Promo issues for 5 years? No excuse for fighting 40 year old narcos

Sadly, ggg hasn't done any better. Both need to seriously step it up. Fortunately, one of them had the balls to do just that. Nov 19thv baby.

[Madison Boxing]

Sadly, ggg hasn't done any better. Both need to seriously step it up. Fortunately, one of them had the balls to do just that. Nov 19thv baby.

Don't be shocked if ward v kov doesn't happen....

[$Bullsfam$]

LOL. Read the post and try to remember to breathe at the same time. Ward was at 168 at one point you know...

Hes not anymore so wtf is the point in talking about it? I swear by this logic you better be taking a dump on the Kovalev-Ward winner for not calling out Wilder.

[$Bullsfam$]

Because I'm talking about what happened at the time. What a banana. Don't bother with history lessons, it's not the same anymore - your logic. Nice one mate.

No your throwing shade at GGG and Canelo while sucking off Ward. Your no better then the *****s who just want to see GGG lose.

[j0zef]

Complaining because he had to move up because there were no fights, Abel Sanchez said 164 or no fight, go see the link. It's from his own mouth. 164 or no fight. So Ward took the next biggest fight in Kov.

Wrong. He was whining about 'why me and not others'. He didn't say a word about there being no fights.
Link

Again, educate yourself. The negotiations took place in first half of 2015. Sometime before middle of June, the negotiations broke down.
Here's an interview by Golovkin, dated June 15th, in which he says Ward turned down the fight. At this point, any and all negotiations between the fighters are dead.
The video you posted is from end of July 2015 where Sanchez is talking ****. it's not even the first time 164 is being brought up. The 164 comment was first made by Loeffler on July 8th - full 2 weeks before Sanchez parroted it, and at LEAST 2 weeks after any and all negotiations between Ward and Golovkin were absolutely, undeniably dead.

Also according to Sanchez, here he says that during those negotiations, they never asked for 164.

The 164 was said by Loeffler after the negotiations fell through. The end.

By who? Cause it's not me. Golovkin has no need to move up. Except for people who want to see him lose.

Nobody gives a **** about you.
But Bernard Hopkins challenged him to fight Kov/Ward winner, as has multiple other experts.

Is he fighting Kovalev in Oakland? Has he picked his gloves? No. And that's my point. Whatever he demanded in the past he is not having vs Kov so point is a dud.

Da ***? Past 6 years of diva behavior doesn't prove that he's a diva? He deserves a spot on P4P list based off what he did 5 years ago, but being a diva over the course of the 5 years doesn't count? Get the hell out of here fanboy.

And BTW - the fight with Kovalev was in jeopardy because he wanted to move it to Oakland.
So yeah, he didn't get the fight in Oakland because HBO told him to go screw himself, but he sure as hell tried to be a diva again.
Source

No need. From the horses mouth, Abel Sanchez said they will NEVER fight at 168. 164 or no deal. I gave a link where's yours salty?

Look above.

Golovkin would make a ton more money in a Canelo fight. There are superstars to fight. The term little is relative. Definitions of relative can be found in a dictionary if interested.

This is so dumb it's not even worth mentioning. "he'd make a ton of money in canelo fight"? Yeah, no **** sherlock. You said he 'makes little money'. He doesn't. Bye.

Not one thing I posted is wrong. Links provided and all your points debunked. If you want to disagree with me, quote each point please, then we can break it down piece by piece and see who's really wrong, and spoiler: It ain't me.

Cool. Everyone's a self entitled 22 year old know it all who always thinks he's right. Did you make that speech in front of a mirror while giving yourself a pep talk?

[j0zef]

I didn't post a link to a video, it was an article. And if Abel said they will never take the fight at 168, and contradicted himself later then that's his problem. Like you said the fight didn't happen. And guess why - because they said no...

Sanchez is an ass, but he did not contradict himself. He said during the negotiations that occurred they did not mention 164 - which was my point. It was AFTER negotiations that Loeffler mentioned 164, and Sanchez parroted it.

Before and after.

Probably never got round to it because they were denying him tuneups. But like sanchez said they would never fight at 168. 164 or get lost.

This is an argument. Nobody cares about probably. Sorry.
"Denying him tuneups"? Abso-effing-lutely. This point has been beaten to the death, Golovkin has been looking to unify MW since 2012, and was a mandatory to Cotto since very early 2015. He had absolutely zero incentive to wait for Ward. Hell, let me rephrase it, he had a lot of negative incentive NOT to wait for him.
That's exactly how it went. Golovkin said "I can fight this summer before Cotto/Canelo", Ward said he can't, and that was it.

Just in case you're a fanboy who thinks I'm accusing Ward of ducking - I'm not. Ward was rusty,coming off 2 year layoff. He needed a tuneup. But he's not worth waiting around for, so the fight fell through.

The idiots who toot their horn '154 to 168 but Ward at 164 doe' are the ones who dominate this forum and want to make it look like Golovkin ducked Ward because he's afraid of him or some bull**** like that. Neither guy is ducking or afraid of another, they both think they can win the fight.

Bernard Hopkins is Golden Boy and is trying to get the pressure off Canelo who is hurting himself to make 154. No expert is demanding Golovkin jump 2 divisions from 160 to 175 to fight the winner.

I agree on Hopkins, but he's definitely not the only one. There are many others who do the same. Google it.

Like I said. The fight is not taking place at a catchweight, in Oakland or with different Gloves. Ward has no advantages, but he's still taking the fight.

AGAIN - he's been acting like a diva for 6 years, and he tried and failed to be a diva for this fight.

Just because he didn't get his way this time doesn't mean he's not a diva. I'm not even sure what the hell you're trying to argue.

But it's not in Oakland is it? When Canelo didn't have his say he gave up the belt and went back to 154 after years at 155. Ward didn't.

That's not even close to the same. Ward didn't have the ability to say no. He had a 3 fight contract with HBO which ended in fight with Kovalev. HBO is the one that said no to Oakland and forced him to fulfill his contract.
Also, Canelo's 400 times more popular than Ward, and even he took heavy PR hits after his stunt. If Ward tried to say that he wont fight Kovalev because it's not in Oakland, that would be the nail in the coffin of his career.

He is rejecting offers of 8 figures, for 6 and 7 figure checks. If someone offered you a million to do something you could apparently easily do, or 100k to do something else you could easily do, which would you choose? You'd probably choose the wrong one too. Bye.

Sorry kid, but no businessman takes the first offer in a negotiation.

Funny that isn't it because I'm sure you think you're right in everything you're saying, otherwise you wouldn't be saying it...

I'm pretty sure in everything I'm saying here, but I don't go around stroking my own ego saying "guess who's wrong, it aint me".

And I say pretty sure because both of us are fans of the sport who have no way of knowing exactly what happened. I put known facts in correct order and follow them to the most likely conclusion.

Anywho, we're going around and there's no point to this anymore. Use the information or don't, you can't be any worse than the majority of idiots (shadow/about//sugarkhaine/golovkin/etc)