Do guys like GGG and Julian Jackson use subtly different technique to get power?

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  • AlexKid
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    #31
    Originally posted by !! Shawn
    Look at Devon Alexander. Most the time he has zero power at all, but randomly he throws a punch with the right technique, and does this.



    Some people are just naturally heavy handed, but technique also plays a big part of it. Making sure all of your kinematics are right helps.
    I know u are sophisticated and knowledgeable on why, even though youve been vague

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      #32
      Originally posted by !! Shawn
      The process of punching involves lots of muscles working together. Coordinating all of the muscles so that they reach their maximum effort at the time the punch lands goes a long way. For example, when you push off with your legs, if you finish pushing off before the punch lands, you lose the power you are generating from your legs. If you finish rotation of your core before the punch lands, or your land while your core rotation is not at an angle that generates leverage, your punch wont be as hard.

      There are guys that can punch hard, that are really strong, but dont have real power, because they aren't able to consistently coordinate all those factors.

      Thats why you can smother someones power. Some fighters are better at consistently finding the proper range, or have a wider variation of techniques to deliver their power.

      Then there is also the timing aspect of power.

      You actually dont have to hit most people that hard to knock them out, if you catch them with something they dont see or expect.

      A big part of power is catching people with that punch they are not expecting, or don't see coming.

      One common comment GGG opponents have is that they dont see the angles the punches come from. Its the same thing Pacquiao opponents said. When you dont see it, the power is amplified.

      Take a body shot for example. In the gym, you can lift your arms up and let someone wail away at your body with some really hard shots and take them because you are prepared. They body shot that gets you in the ring is the one you don't see coming and catches you when you are not ready for it.

      Ricky Hatton explains it pretty well in this video.

      You are excellent on power mechanics thanks for the tips!!!

      How did you learn? Trainer or self taught?
      Last edited by AlexKid; 09-19-2016, 04:05 PM.

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        #33
        Originally posted by AlexKid
        You are excellent on power mechanics thanks for the tips!!!

        How did you learn? Trainer or self taught?
        Years in the amateurs, and 15 years in the gym with really good trainers such as Joe Zanders.

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          #34
          Originally posted by !! Shawn
          Years in the amateurs, and 15 years in the gym with really good trainers such as Joe Zanders.
          awesome bro, it shows!

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            #35
            Originally posted by Shpacman
            Why some punches are powerful and some are not? To punch with power a fighter must generate a power and deliver it. For example Bradley can't deliver his power. In order to deliver power a fighter shouldn't lose power during the punch move. With the right technique a fighter should even increase a power and spped during the punch move. With the wrong technique a fighter loses a power and speed of his first impulse.
            For example Bradley can't make a hard system form his body and his hand. He loses power during the punch. And for example Kovalev and Alvares punch like they throw their fist at the opponent. And Golovkin has very hard joints from genetics and training, so he can make a very hard system from his body and hand and deliver all the power.
            So the punch power is really a question of technique. But it's a question of genetics, of constitution if you can learn some technique or not.
            what do you mean by impulse? explain and clarify

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              #36
              Originally posted by !! Shawn
              Years in the amateurs, and 15 years in the gym with really good trainers such as Joe Zanders.
              do you dip the rear knee like you do for the the cross, for the regular circular uppercut? Or do you keep the knee close to its stance position squat down a bit so you can channel leg power upwards?

              Do you use the leg power for a rear right hook, or do you only pivot for the right hook and not use leg power (like u use the rear leg for the cross)
              Last edited by AlexKid; 09-19-2016, 05:37 PM.

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                #37
                Originally posted by AlexKid
                do you dip the rear knee like you do for the the cross, for the regular circular uppercut? Or do you keep the knee close to its stance position squat down a bit so you can channel leg power upwards?

                Do you use the leg power for a rear right hook, or do you only pivot for the right hook and not use leg power (like u use the rear leg for the cross)
                Everything is dependent on positioning. The same punches at different ranges require different technique to maximize your leverage.

                Not sure who told you to dip your rear knee for a right cross. The power comes through the legs, leg should be reaching straight when a right cross lands.

                The timing of power delivery can be seen in these examples.


                here you can see that Duran is reaching maximum effort pushing off with his leg just as the punch connect, and is reaching maximum torque with his midsection.

                Another good example.



                Rocky Marciano, rear leg reaching maximum extension just after impact.



                Ray Robinson with a right uppercut. Same thing, Leg reaching maximum extension right at the point of impact.

                Contrast that with Floyd Mayweather, and you can see why he didn't hit as hard as he could have.



                Floyd has already reached maximum extension with his leg before the point of impact, and as a result his rear leg is unable to contribute to the power of the punch when it lands.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by !! Shawn
                  Everything is dependent on positioning. The same punches at different ranges require different technique to maximize your leverage.

                  Not sure who told you to dip your rear knee for a right cross. The power comes through the legs, leg should be reaching straight when a right cross lands.


                  Ray Robinson with a right uppercut. Same thing, Leg reaching maximum extension right at the point of impact.

                  Contrast that with Floyd Mayweather, and you can see why he didn't hit as hard as he could have.



                  Floyd has already reached maximum extension with his leg before the point of impact, and as a result his rear leg is unable to contribute to the power of the punch when it lands.


                  wow awesome thanks bro, you really know your stuff I tried it and it works awesome!

                  When you dip your rear knee down, your leg is in a sprinters type position where the muscle fibers supposedly work more efficiently in the direction of the cross.

                  But after trying it your way and that way im not so sure thats right, your way is awesome, very powerful and much easier!!

                  I think because the leg locks in more easily in a firm way theres less power being lost than if the knee dips low and isnt supported, so while the muscle may be more efficiently aligned, the structure is weaker meaning less power may be getting transferred




                  some do it like this, i'll get a boxing example soon





                  Its really hard to find good examples, because 95% of all boxers ever do it your way
                  Last edited by AlexKid; 09-19-2016, 07:12 PM.

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                    #39


                    they call it the strong L in baseball

                    the rear leg knee is bent at almost a 90 degree angle

                    even in baseball some throw it your way some this way

                    Ive also checked it can be very sturdy if done right.









                    Im guessing its more powerful because the muscles are in better alignment (direction of muscle fibers) (its how you start a sprint, push a car, etc) you cant start your sprint as fast or push the car as hard with your legs when your knee is straighter.

                    Secondly its just as firm if not more solid structurally. So about equal or better transfer of force. (I think better, youd stop yourself from being pushed back better in this position or pushing a car forward)

                    Barely no one throws it this way though. They all throw it your way, even crouching fighters like Marciano and Tyson
                    Last edited by AlexKid; 09-19-2016, 08:00 PM.

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