Why do people get so worked up over negotiations?

[!! Shawn]

when a fight is still likely a year away?


I dont get it. GGG and Canelo (and their respective promoters) will either agree on money, or they wont. Personally even though I dont think a "flat fee" deal would be in GGGs best interests, if that flat-fee was 8 figures, with free negotiation for the rematch, I would probably accept it if I were him. But people here are talking about the deal including upsides, and this, and that, and they dont have a friggin clue whats in the package. Lets all celebrate though that at least the weight issue is resolved and now it just comes down to how to split up the money.

It does crack me up though that the very same people who say GGG should pay Jacobs or Saunders some ridiculous sums of money are the very same people claiming that GGG should immediately accept whatever deal Canelo puts in front of him and shouldnt try to negiotiate (but but but b-side doe). Its laughable, and all too predictable.

I guess I just dont put a lot of stock in anything Oscar says anymore. I do hope there is a genuine offer on the table, and if its 8 figures then its certainly a credible offer.

Honestly though, lets say they offered him 10million, and now PPV upside. That is considerably worse than 5million, with PPV upside; everyone knows this will sell 1m+ ppv.

And what makes the flat rate ridiculous, is that Canelo doesn't have another dance partner that he could make even CLOSE to numbers he could make with GGG.

If they are trying to negotiate with Canelo getting 100% of the PPV, He could end up with a $60-70millon payday...

Its not like the Floyd vs Hatton situation where they can agree that okay, you get US PPV, I get Europe PPV.

And its not a situation where Canelo can carry PPV's on his own, he is like Cotto, he needs an A side dance partner.

So the whole approaching the negotiation from I'm the A side, you are the B side is silly, because they are both the A side.

Its the only Superfight to be made in boxing at the moment, and it should be negotiated as such.

Your saying $10M + free negotiation for rematch, sounds good assuming there would be a rematch.

In all likelihood, Canelo is getting knocked out, and they are not going to put him in there for a second beating. That would just be bad business, and shorten his career.

In which case, GGG just fought for $10m and no PPV upside on what could be $70m worth of cash.

Mayweather could make those deals, because if you beat mayweather, you were going to be a superstar, so it made sense to take good money, and have the chance to be the man who beat the man.

Canelo isn't the man. GGG is the man. If Canelo beats GGG, it does big things for Canelo. If GGG beats Canelo, it doesn't really do anything for him, he is suppose to beat Canelo.

If Canelo loses, it doesn't really do much damage to him, he was suppose to lose. Just as long as he doesn't get blown out in embarrassing fashion.

So I don't see where Canelo has a leg to stand on to try and negotiate a flat rate.

GGG will make that much money by finishing unifying the MW division, and probably get a good UK PPV with Saunders.

So if they are serious about making the superfight, offer GGG superfight terms, not stay busy opponent terms.

[!! Shawn]

I understand it from both sides.

I'm a GGG fan but if Golden Boy are serious about making an offer right now to fight a year away, then i see no problem in signing it. If they're adamant they are not fighting GGG anytime before September next year, which is the case, then at least the contract will get him as soon as they're willing to fight.

But really, the most logical way to do business is to sign the contracts fight by fight and offering one for a fight 1 year away just seems like it's a fob off to get people off their backs about ducking and might give plenty of time for plans to change or get out of the fight.

The problem with signing a fight a year out, is this. Say GGG unifies all the middleweight titles in the inbetween time. The deal they signed a year before no longer makes sense for GGG.

It could end up where the fight they signed a year ago, ends up being a smaller payday than his last fight before he fights Canelo.

[deathofaclown]

The problem with signing a fight a year out, is this. Say GGG unifies all the middleweight titles in the inbetween time. The deal they signed a year before no longer makes sense for GGG.

It could end up where the fight they signed a year ago, ends up being a smaller payday than his last fight before he fights Canelo.

Funny thing, i was actually going to allude to something like that in my post but it was getting rather long.

Plus, who knows, GGG's popularity and fame could sky rocket between now and September 2017. I'm not saying it will, but you just never know in life. He could end up completely underselling himself by signing a year out.

That's why it really makes no sense to sign anything a year in advance.

[!! Shawn]

believe me k2 is in no position to do that... and for the fight happening next september its more than fair that if canelo is the one going up all the way to gggs weight he deserves at least a couple of tune ups at 160 vs MW opposition, but if ggg wants it now he should send a counter offer, something like lets do it in may at 157, but we all know ggg isnt willing to negotiate a single pound...

The smart move is the make the fight now. If Canelo has tuneups at 160, and looks lackluster, the fight isn't as marketable. Its not as marketable now as it was after he sparked out Khan.

Every fight GGG has there is a chance he looks vulnerable, or less like a monster.

What sells this fight is that GGG is that monster, and Canelo is the mexican with the balls to go up and fight him.

If Canelo looks lackluster, or GGG starts to look beatable, the fight has much less appeal.

It is a Gamboa vs Juanma situation. That was a hot fight that everyone wanted to see because Juanma was a monster knocking everyone out. Then Juanma goes life and death with Roger Mtagwa, then Gamboa knocks out Mtagwa in 2 rounds without breaking a sweat, and nobody is interest in the fight anymore.

GGG is the goods, much more than Juanma is, but GGG is 34, thats getting up there for a fighter with his style. He is probably already on the downside of his physical abilities, and will only diminish as a fighter as time goes on, so he might just look old overnight in one of his fights.

It risk waiting a year to fight a 34 year old guy that will probably have 3 fights in-between.

That payday might not be there in a year. Because if GGG loses, there goes a 1million + buy PPV payday for Canelo.

For Canelo, there is really no downside to losing. He already has the kinds of fights where people think he has lost several times, people have elevated him to star status because he will always take the hard fights when they are the hard fights. Same reason Oscar was a star. He wasn't the best fighter in the world, not even close. But he always took the hard fights when they were the hard fights. He didn't wait people out.

If Canelo starts being the guy that waits people out, while also not being CLEARLY the best fighter in the world at the time, its not going to end up well for him.

Floyd could wait out Pacquiao, because he had a deep pool of known fighter he could fight, such as Cotto, Mosley, Canelo himself, etc. He could still do big number PPV fights outside of Pacquiao.

Canelo can't. If that PPV with GGG goes away, he is pretty screwed.

He can't really make 154 anymore. There is nobody else at 160 that is a compelling dance partner for a superfight, and he won't be able to move up to 168. He will have to fight cans at 160 until the crop of really good fighters at 154 move up to 160.

We are talking a $40m payday for him in all likelihood, when a fair deal with GGG is made. Thats a lot to risk to father time.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

when a fight is still likely a year away?


I dont get it. GGG and Canelo (and their respective promoters) will either agree on money, or they wont. Personally even though I dont think a "flat fee" deal would be in GGGs best interests, if that flat-fee was 8 figures, with free negotiation for the rematch, I would probably accept it if I were him. But people here are talking about the deal including upsides, and this, and that, and they dont have a friggin clue whats in the package. Lets all celebrate though that at least the weight issue is resolved and now it just comes down to how to split up the money.

It does crack me up though that the very same people who say GGG should pay Jacobs or Saunders some ridiculous sums of money are the very same people claiming that GGG should immediately accept whatever deal Canelo puts in front of him and shouldnt try to negiotiate (but but but b-side doe). Its laughable, and all too predictable.

I guess I just dont put a lot of stock in anything Oscar says anymore. I do hope there is a genuine offer on the table, and if its 8 figures then its certainly a credible offer.

Because most people dksab so they turn attention away from the actual sport to something that has nothing to do with them due to the fact that their little knowledge doesn't make much for boxing talk. Even 20-30 years ago fans didn't give a **** about negotiations.

[casheddie]

I understand it from both sides.

I'm a GGG fan but if Golden Boy are serious about making an offer right now to fight a year away, then i see no problem in signing it. If they're adamant they are not fighting GGG anytime before September next year, which is the case, then at least the contract will get him as soon as they're willing to fight.

But really, the most logical way to do business is to sign the contracts fight by fight and offering one for a fight 1 year away just seems like it's a fob off to get people off their backs about ducking and might give plenty of time for plans to change or get out of the fight.

The reason could be hype and build up. This is the only fight that I hear people in the media talk about. If GGG signs right now to a flat fee when the fight right now is expected to do 50 mil, whats gonna happen in 12 months when it's a 80 mil dollar fight.

And GGG is gonna walk away with 10-12 mil but Canelo and Golden Boy are gonna take 40-50. This is because most likely Canelo and GGG won't lose in the next 12 months so the stock for this fight will continue to rise. It's a greed driven sport and I think K2 is feeling their value in their fighter.

[Lester Tutor]

when a fight is still likely a year away?


I dont get it. GGG and Canelo (and their respective promoters) will either agree on money, or they wont. Personally even though I dont think a "flat fee" deal would be in GGGs best interests, if that flat-fee was 8 figures, with free negotiation for the rematch, I would probably accept it if I were him. But people here are talking about the deal including upsides, and this, and that, and they dont have a friggin clue whats in the package. Lets all celebrate though that at least the weight issue is resolved and now it just comes down to how to split up the money.

It does crack me up though that the very same people who say GGG should pay Jacobs or Saunders some ridiculous sums of money are the very same people claiming that GGG should immediately accept whatever deal Canelo puts in front of him and shouldnt try to negiotiate (but but but b-side doe). Its laughable, and all too predictable.

I guess I just dont put a lot of stock in anything Oscar says anymore. I do hope there is a genuine offer on the table, and if its 8 figures then its certainly a credible offer.

You're agreeing 8 figures is good when the context agreement is A vs B side. Make up your mind. Saunders or Jacobs has what to do with GBP's offers?

You know very well that 8 figures is a beautiful figure assuming it does so much money and a possible rematch. You're an adult, you should learn that in the real world meritocracy exists. Just accept that Oscar and Bhop will run things as they fit. People seem to forget that the Alien and the Golden Boy are LITERALLY gangsters running GBP.

To the public they may seem like gentlemen, but we all know they have dark sides that we dont need to think about. I dont recall HBO ever pumping out ******* frenzies about Duran or Chavez Sr, but the regular fans love to gravitate solely towards Oscar.

Weren't you once a promoter? You know full well Oscar and Bhop are OGs. There's no promotional company like them. Bow down to your true pimps.

[Scipio2009]

when a fight is still likely a year away?


I dont get it. GGG and Canelo (and their respective promoters) will either agree on money, or they wont. Personally even though I dont think a "flat fee" deal would be in GGGs best interests, if that flat-fee was 8 figures, with free negotiation for the rematch, I would probably accept it if I were him. But people here are talking about the deal including upsides, and this, and that, and they dont have a friggin clue whats in the package. Lets all celebrate though that at least the weight issue is resolved and now it just comes down to how to split up the money.

It does crack me up though that the very same people who say GGG should pay Jacobs or Saunders some ridiculous sums of money are the very same people claiming that GGG should immediately accept whatever deal Canelo puts in front of him and shouldnt try to negiotiate (but but but b-side doe). Its laughable, and all too predictable.

I guess I just dont put a lot of stock in anything Oscar says anymore. I do hope there is a genuine offer on the table, and if its 8 figures then its certainly a credible offer.

$10m to Golovkin, with the business history/purse history that Golovkin has, looks like a ridiculous sum of money, to me. (offering triple of a career amount, that was double the prior career amount, isn't something to turn the nose up at).

If K2 offered Jacobs or Saunders triple their career-high purse, I'd be willing to bet that you'd have something to say.