Comments Thread For: De La Hoya May Not Owe Fans Apology, But Canelo Deserves One

[Corelone]

Reported for continual racist remarks. Enjoy your ban.

I'm with you on this.

[TexasCowBoy]

Such a bunch of whiners AND TOTAL HYPOCRITES all these people saying "boycott, boycott" and calling Canelo a coward. May I please remind you, you bunch of biased GGG or anti-Canelo fans that:

1) YES, Canelo has been avoiding GGG BUT ONLY AT 160 pounds or above.

2) GGG himself has been avoiding Canelo at 154-155 and has NEVER EVER proposed a catch-weight of say 157 against a guy who has NEVER EVER fought above 155. Yet he and his loud-mouth trainer keep saying that GGG will fight ANYONE 154-168. Yeah, right, liars!

So they are both "cowards" under different circumstances.

Hey, bunch of hypocrites whining about boycotting Canelo until he fights GGG at the latter's convenient weight (160) why didn't you EVER ask to boycott your bully cowardly fighter when he bullied a blown-up welter weight who had to go up 13 pounds to face him? HYPOCRISY at its best, that's what you guys very accurately portray.

BTW I am equally a fan of both GGG and Canelo because they are aggressive fighters, and always give the fans good performances, so I will watch them even if they fight against opponents that really don't stand much of a chance vs. either of them, because I love boxing, period. I don't fixate myself foolishly into worshiping a particular fighter, even if he is a hypocrite who pretends to be willing to fight any one but the reality is: yes, anyone but with some restrictions (which in reality means being a liar, a hypocrite and a coward). True boxing fans never do that, EVER. We are willing to watch just about any professional fight because we love boxing, as opposed to loving to watch only CERTAIN fighters, and only when the fight conditions are advantageous for them, so they have way bigger chances of winning.

You got a point there dude....I just wanna see some violence and a knockout when I watch boxing with evenly matched fighters....I dont wanna mention any names because the ****** clowns fans might get upset and start crying or the sleepquiao fans might start grinding their gears but as a hardcore boxing fan I know what is good and what is bad boxing ..... I remember when boxing had alot of corruption but the great boxing matches got made and now we still got the same corruption like protecting boxing cowards and few good fights get made but I gotta say that the best in the business work the night shift at HBO....HBO still produces good and some great fights

[ssc73]

Real talk. No boycott talk when GGG fought non ranked by anyone on house arrest Wade. Or just a week ago when he dragged a WW up two full weight classes in such a blatant mismatch that the WBA refused to sanction it. Smith is at least world champ and top ranked by everyone in Canelo's weight class something NEITHER Wade or Brook were. Phony whiny GGG fanboys had no problem supporting those fights but since GGG can't dictate terms on Canelo we should boycott his fight? GTFO

This is full on garbage.........there were NO negotiations....Canelo didn't bother to offer anything because he or his team were afriad of the answer.
opponent than Khan......and we know how that ended and according to the post-fight weights, Canelo was over 180. Just because he can get to 154-155 doesn't mean he should. The only reason he does that is to gain advantage. Golovkin consistently weighs 158-160, never dragged Brook into anything......Loeffler and Hearn were behind that. They were having a hard time getting fights for their fighters.....and in the neotiations, Hearn asked Brook, he had balls and gave it a shot. He'll come out better for doing it.

For Golovkin's point, he was annoyed by the whole situation, had no concern of being hurt......whereas Canelo was outboxed by Khan who used NO head movement and it took him 6 rounds to get the KO.......and he should have knocked out Cotto.

Canelo is the one over-hyped. And for the record, despite what Sanchez' dumb ass says along with Loeffler, in an interview in his own language, GGG said that at one point he was only interested in ONE FIGHT AND ONE FIGHT ONLY AT 154........Mayweather. He felt that given Floyd's talent level, it would be a fairly even fight if he were to drop six pounds below his weight.

Canelo hasn't gotten on the scales before entering the ring since being whitewashed by Floyd......

As for boycotts......Golovkin was fighting on free TV vs Wade. He's done only one US PPV vs an unknown Lemieux that nobody believed he'd win. GGG hasn't fought anyone? Who has he outright avoided other than Ward?? And even that is not a clear-cut situation.....In fact, Canelo fans bash GGG for not going down 5# for the 160 pound title.......then turn around and say Golovkin ducked ward becuase he wouldn't move up.....SMDH

Canelo fans are crying because they are having a helluva time defending their fighter who is a full MW and avoiding the best possible fight in the sport. That's all their is to it. And he and his entire camp now very well Golovkin will use tighter defense but the same pressure. Canelo won't be able to stand up to it. He's gonna be wrecked......and if Canelo doesn't punk out in 2017, he'll take physical and psychological damage. That aspect wasn't part of the 'risks' vs Floyd, Trout, Lara, etc., all of which it could be argued he got gift decisions.......and I think Cotto outboxed him but was given the wrong fight plan by Roach.......

Canelo's feet are too slow and he doesn't know how to use them to create space. He's gonna be smashed.........and Canelo fans are whining about him getting 'picked on' despite Canelo promising to face him after Cotto so Golovking would take the 'step-aside' money and allow Cotto and Canelo to cash out.......that was being a sportsman. Instead, he gets **** on and as far as I can remember, GGG hasn't had a bad word to say about him.

Golovking fought one smaller guy that probably outweighed him on fight night. He broke the dude's eye socket and was well on his way to ending that fight against possibly the best WW out there at this moment.

What's Canelo's excuse for fighting with a major weight advantage for his entire career?

That don't fly. You don't get to say "We don't f**k around"..and then promptly do just that.......nut up or STFU.......SMDH His Chicano fans are sounding like Pac fans......"peeleft:

[ssc73]

What a bullsht article.

1.) Alvarez never promised he'd fight Golovkin. He said to the world in the ring, when asked about fighting him, that he'd put on the gloves right there and there, that he's not afraid of anybody, which most boxers would say. He never said he'd fight Golovkin after beating Khan. It was K2 and GBP that agrees to the fights and then meet, which then K2 didn't agree on negotiations, vise versa, and of course De La Hoya said fck a purse a bid. That would be a shame for it to go to a purse bid..

Second, it's none of the writer's business who feels comfortable to spend $69.99 bucks on the fight. The idiot doesn't realize that Spanish television networks have commercials for this bout. Why? Cause of the Mexican demographic. If Mexicans want to celebrate the weekend with Mexican independence day, just like St. Patty's day for the Irish and people spend hundreds on booze, then who gives a fck if the Mexican demographic is being offered such meaningful entertainment, especially with 2016's Trump year...

"This article was written for ******." -#48

Are you really serious right now??

There was a verbal agreement between Cotto/Canelo and Golovkin that he would step aside and let them earn their big money with the understanding that his turn was next. They didn't just duck him once, they did it twice and now there is a 'verbal agreement' to fight in a year? Golovkin is not holding his breath........

That is NOT what happened at all..........Loeffler and Golovkin expected to be at least made an offer......DID NOT EVEN HAPPEN....

GBP gave up the belt to avoid the purse bid but it was already clear that fight wasn't going to happen. At the time they claimed 'we want the opportunity to negotiate this fight in good faith and do it right without any artificial deadlines hanging over our head'....then they did nothing. Because Oscar and Canelo had a debt to pay. NO NEGOTIATIONS EVER TOOK PLACE.......

Canelo vs Cotto did 900K buys......vs Khan they did what, 450? They will be VERY LUCKY to break 250K in this one. And virtually all of those will be Mexican Americans who are making excuses as opposed to Mexican fans that are bashing Canelo and won't be back on his wagon until he fights GGG.

The writer is correct.......if he'd fought GGG and lost, it would have been much better for his stature in the sport......now he looks like a fraud. This is the first guy (GGG) remotely close to the same size that he's faced in SEVERAL years.......this wasn't a 'you could lose and look bad'........this is a 'you could be physically and mentally damaged beyond repair or at least, it could take you a couple years to rebuild/recover'...that is what they are avoiding. Lara, Trout, Floyd.....GGG is an entirely different type of risk.

Now THAT Is truth.......

And I'm willing to bet that Canelo weighed more on the night of the Khan fight than GGG and wish he'd really fought him after a crushing KO of a guy that was equally concussed at 135....at least GGG fought someone that hadn't been KO'd and at worst is a top 2 WW......

It's getting deep now.......I hope Canelo nuts up.....because GGG owes him a beating. I was a fan of Canelo. That ended sometime after the Mayweather fight. He didn't complain about the catch-weight. He complained about the rehydration limit, still outweighed Floyd by 20#.........

GGG will bring 60+ shots per round, cut the ring and pressure Canelo like nothing he's ever seen. I see a Margarito-Cotto 1 situation happening where Canelo plays the part of Cotto. Only difference is that Golovkin will land the more eye-catching shots, he won't need loaded wraps, and he'll track Canelo's slow-footed ass down much quicker and with by far more talent.

Other than possibly countering, I don't see a single thing Canelo does better.......can't wait...!! If Oscar avoids the fight past 2017.....his company will be over soon.......

LAST POINT.........ARE YOU REALLY GONNA STICK WITH 'HE NEVER SAID HE'D FIGHT HIM NEXT'.........?? REALLY?? HE NOT ONLY SAID IT WOULD BE NEXT , HE SAID IT WOULD BE AT THE FULL LIMIT. THAT'S WHY OSCAR SAID 'I hope Loeffler has his phone on tomorrow'-IT DIDN'T RING........is CANELO RUNNING FOR OFFICE SOON? THAT'S A BS POLITICIAN LINE IF I'VE EVER HEARD ONE. GET A GRIP. YOU'RE BOY PUNKED OUT......AND HE'S GOING TO BE EMBARRASED AFTER THE BEATING BECAUSE OF NOT BACKING UP HIS TOUGH TALK........HIS MEXICAN FANS WOULD STICK BY HIM WITH A LOSS.......BUT NOT LIKE THIS.....

[Lester Tutor]

Are you really serious right now??

There was a verbal agreement between Cotto/Canelo and Golovkin that he would step aside and let them earn their big money with the understanding that his turn was next. They didn't just duck him once, they did it twice and now there is a 'verbal agreement' to fight in a year? Golovkin is not holding his breath........

That is NOT what happened at all..........Loeffler and Golovkin expected to be at least made an offer......DID NOT EVEN HAPPEN....

GBP gave up the belt to avoid the purse bid but it was already clear that fight wasn't going to happen. At the time they claimed 'we want the opportunity to negotiate this fight in good faith and do it right without any artificial deadlines hanging over our head'....then they did nothing. Because Oscar and Canelo had a debt to pay. NO NEGOTIATIONS EVER TOOK PLACE.......

Canelo vs Cotto did 900K buys......vs Khan they did what, 450? They will be VERY LUCKY to break 250K in this one. And virtually all of those will be Mexican Americans who are making excuses as opposed to Mexican fans that are bashing Canelo and won't be back on his wagon until he fights GGG.

The writer is correct.......if he'd fought GGG and lost, it would have been much better for his stature in the sport......now he looks like a fraud. This is the first guy (GGG) remotely close to the same size that he's faced in SEVERAL years.......this wasn't a 'you could lose and look bad'........this is a 'you could be physically and mentally damaged beyond repair or at least, it could take you a couple years to rebuild/recover'...that is what they are avoiding. Lara, Trout, Floyd.....GGG is an entirely different type of risk.

Now THAT Is truth.......

And I'm willing to bet that Canelo weighed more on the night of the Khan fight than GGG and wish he'd really fought him after a crushing KO of a guy that was equally concussed at 135....at least GGG fought someone that hadn't been KO'd and at worst is a top 2 WW......

It's getting deep now.......I hope Canelo nuts up.....because GGG owes him a beating. I was a fan of Canelo. That ended sometime after the Mayweather fight. He didn't complain about the catch-weight. He complained about the rehydration limit, still outweighed Floyd by 20#.........

GGG will bring 60+ shots per round, cut the ring and pressure Canelo like nothing he's ever seen. I see a Margarito-Cotto 1 situation happening where Canelo plays the part of Cotto. Only difference is that Golovkin will land the more eye-catching shots, he won't need loaded wraps, and he'll track Canelo's slow-footed ass down much quicker and with by far more talent.

Other than possibly countering, I don't see a single thing Canelo does better.......can't wait...!! If Oscar avoids the fight past 2017.....his company will be over soon.......

LAST POINT.........ARE YOU REALLY GONNA STICK WITH 'HE NEVER SAID HE'D FIGHT HIM NEXT'.........?? REALLY?? HE NOT ONLY SAID IT WOULD BE NEXT , HE SAID IT WOULD BE AT THE FULL LIMIT. THAT'S WHY OSCAR SAID 'I hope Loeffler has his phone on tomorrow'-IT DIDN'T RING........is CANELO RUNNING FOR OFFICE SOON? THAT'S A BS POLITICIAN LINE IF I'VE EVER HEARD ONE. GET A GRIP. YOU'RE BOY PUNKED OUT......AND HE'S GOING TO BE EMBARRASED AFTER THE BEATING BECAUSE OF NOT BACKING UP HIS TOUGH TALK........HIS MEXICAN FANS WOULD STICK BY HIM WITH A LOSS.......BUT NOT LIKE THIS.....

It's not what the writer wants. Like with Thomas Hauser...it's not what HE wants people to eat.

[ssc73]

You got a point there dude....I just wanna see some violence and a knockout when I watch boxing with evenly matched fighters....I dont wanna mention any names because the ****** clowns fans might get upset and start crying or the sleepquiao fans might start grinding their gears but as a hardcore boxing fan I know what is good and what is bad boxing ..... I remember when boxing had alot of corruption but the great boxing matches got made and now we still got the same corruption like protecting boxing cowards and few good fights get made but I gotta say that the best in the business work the night shift at HBO....HBO still produces good and some great fights

No he doesn't..........

[Shadoww702]

First, Canelo gets his pick who to fight. He could choose anyone, no excuse.

And Actually, Wade was ranked 2 by IBF. Johnson got hurt and they ordered Wade.

Canelo while supposedly getting ready for 160 was fight khan.

Everyone knew the moment he picked khan he was going to duck GGG.

GGG at 34 was too much. They hope GGG at 35 and a 1/2 will look much more beatable.

We've seen this game before.

No Wade was NOT the IBF Number #2.

It was:

#1 Tureno Johnson
#2 VACANT
#3 Wade

[Shadoww702]

This is full on garbage.........there were NO negotiations....Canelo didn't bother to offer anything because he or his team were afriad of the answer.
opponent than Khan......and we know how that ended and according to the post-fight weights, Canelo was over 180. Just because he can get to 154-155 doesn't mean he should. The only reason he does that is to gain advantage. Golovkin consistently weighs 158-160, never dragged Brook into anything......Loeffler and Hearn were behind that. They were having a hard time getting fights for their fighters.....and in the neotiations, Hearn asked Brook, he had balls and gave it a shot. He'll come out better for doing it.

For Golovkin's point, he was annoyed by the whole situation, had no concern of being hurt......whereas Canelo was outboxed by Khan who used NO head movement and it took him 6 rounds to get the KO.......and he should have knocked out Cotto.

Canelo is the one over-hyped. And for the record, despite what Sanchez' dumb ass says along with Loeffler, in an interview in his own language, GGG said that at one point he was only interested in ONE FIGHT AND ONE FIGHT ONLY AT 154........Mayweather. He felt that given Floyd's talent level, it would be a fairly even fight if he were to drop six pounds below his weight.

Canelo hasn't gotten on the scales before entering the ring since being whitewashed by Floyd......

As for boycotts......Golovkin was fighting on free TV vs Wade. He's done only one US PPV vs an unknown Lemieux that nobody believed he'd win. GGG hasn't fought anyone? Who has he outright avoided other than Ward?? And even that is not a clear-cut situation.....In fact, Canelo fans bash GGG for not going down 5# for the 160 pound title.......then turn around and say Golovkin ducked ward becuase he wouldn't move up.....SMDH

Canelo fans are crying because they are having a helluva time defending their fighter who is a full MW and avoiding the best possible fight in the sport. That's all their is to it. And he and his entire camp now very well Golovkin will use tighter defense but the same pressure. Canelo won't be able to stand up to it. He's gonna be wrecked......and if Canelo doesn't punk out in 2017, he'll take physical and psychological damage. That aspect wasn't part of the 'risks' vs Floyd, Trout, Lara, etc., all of which it could be argued he got gift decisions.......and I think Cotto outboxed him but was given the wrong fight plan by Roach.......

Canelo's feet are too slow and he doesn't know how to use them to create space. He's gonna be smashed.........and Canelo fans are whining about him getting 'picked on' despite Canelo promising to face him after Cotto so Golovking would take the 'step-aside' money and allow Cotto and Canelo to cash out.......that was being a sportsman. Instead, he gets **** on and as far as I can remember, GGG hasn't had a bad word to say about him.

Golovking fought one smaller guy that probably outweighed him on fight night. He broke the dude's eye socket and was well on his way to ending that fight against possibly the best WW out there at this moment.

What's Canelo's excuse for fighting with a major weight advantage for his entire career?

That don't fly. You don't get to say "We don't f**k around"..and then promptly do just that.......nut up or STFU.......SMDH His Chicano fans are sounding like Pac fans......"peeleft:

I call BS in your 180 claims. Provide links.

[ssc73]

It's not what the writer wants. Like with Thomas Hauser...it's not what HE wants people to eat.

You lost me there for bro.......in your two points......you're excusing Canelo and buying the garbage his team has put out. After tonight's fight he claims to have offered Golovkin 'more money'........more money than what? What was this 'deal' that was offered? At what weight for the FULL UNIFIED LINEAL MW TITLE......?? I'm sure if an offer was made at 155, GGG wouldn't take it. GBP knew that. Canelo outweighs him on fight night already.....he needs more of advantage?

Not that the weight difference will matter. Golovkin will take him to dark and scary places in the fight. except for possbly an edge in counter punching, GGG is better than him in EVERY OTHER CATEGORY..........it's a nightmare for the struggling GBP.........

I highly doubt that if a reasonable offer had been made, GBP and Canelo would have kept silent until now.

Or are you being sarcastic with your points??

I get what the author wants people to believe. But articles are rarely the full story. Folowing closely, it was very apparent GBP wanted to wait for the fight and after giving up his belt, they'd have been screaming from the rooftops about an offered contract. Didn't happen........

Canelo has gone beyond irritating now. His post-fight comments were ridiculous. He's gonna get smashed. I question whether he himself is scared...I doubt it. I think Oscar has basically asked him to avoid risk until he can shore up some more fighters.........

Either way, Canelo is the one that looks bad. Not Golovkin. They love to bag on him for his resume.........but you can't force guys into the ring.......so that isn't exactly his fault. And outside of Mayweather and Lara, both arguable losses, exactly how much of a competition edge does his resume have? Not much. Loaded with bums and washed up old, smaller fighers.

No questioin in my mind he loses to GGG. But if he's not careful and tries to fight an Andrade, he may lose that big payday.

Anyone will fight Canelo. But he won't see anywhere near the money to fight anyone else as he would GGG. He's way over-confident and not nearly as good as he thinks. Golovkin is not the only fighter from 154-160 that would beat him. He would just do it in far more brutal fashion......particularly the more he opens his mouth, says he 'don't fck around' then promptly does just that. Golovkin has little problem weighing in at 158.......they could have tried that.........GGG is also under no illusions that he'll be looking at something like 60/40. He'll keep looking for the toughest fight available at 160 untl then. Who knows what the hell Canelo will do.......but it's very transparent at this point as to who ddin't want the fight and until that fight is made, Canelo will stay risk-averse IMHO.........

It's pretty classless of Canelo too.........GGG, in good faith, gave two passes each to Martinez and Cotto and only agreed to alow Canelo-Cotto for two reasons: 1-He's a prize fighter and understood both guys could make money. He had no interest in depriving them of that and wasn't threatened by either. It was only supposed to be a few months off at that point no matter who won, he'd waited that long, what was one more fight?

2-Canelo and Cotto made an agreement with the WBC at Golovkin's insistence that the winner would face GGG in their next fight. Now that Canelo has broken his word twice, he tries to paint GGG as uncredible or 'unworthy' and continues to rub GGG's nose in it. If ever a guy was asking for some heat he isn't going to be able to handle....it's Canelo.

Finally.....Canelo is clearly a full MW. If tonight didn't convince anyone....nothing will. But he actually believes he's the best in the sport and the most marketabe If he's that great, a fight in May should be NO PROBLEM........we'll see just how marketable he truly is with these PPV numbers.

Neither guy can make the same money in a single fight witout the other. That means GGG, despite the lone PPV with Lemiuex, is at least the 2nd most marketable fighter out there and I think will suprass Canelo after they fight and until he retires........

Not sure what you're saying here........please explain......

[ssc73]

I call BS in your 180 claims. Provide links.

That came from a statement from the NSAC. During post-fight checkups, I believe the weight that Khan and Virgil, who if nothing else is as honest as it gets, said Canelo weighed 183. I will find try to find that link but it wasn't a secret.....

I don't think that's surprising given that leading up to the Mayweather fight he was averaging 174..........and it wasn't the 152 that hurt him it that fight. Canelo himself said it was the rehudration limit. And he has refused to get on a scale on fight night since.....

You think he's shrinking??

LMAO