Can heavyweights be ATG?

[elgu]

Ali, Lewis, Frazier, Foreman, and the lot... Can they be ATG's?

After all they only fought in one weight class?

Or is it only heavyweights like Holyfield that can be ATG's because they moved up at least once?

I keep hearing that boxers need to prove themselves by moving up. Proving your skills isnt enough, you have to beat bigger boxers. Right?

So i guess one division heavyweights just wont cut it to make the ATG list.

[Sadiqkingofko]

Heavyweights fight fighters sometimes 100lbs heavier example Valuev vs Haye, so yes they can be ATG, but for example Golovkin cleaned out the very weak middleweight division either conquer the 168 division or go down to 154

[LoadedWraps]

Ali, Lewis, Frazier, Foreman, and the lot... Can they be ATG's?

After all they only fought in one weight class?

Or is it only heavyweights like Holyfield that can be ATG's because they moved up at least once?

I keep hearing that boxers need to prove themselves by moving up. Proving your skills isnt enough, you have to beat bigger boxers. Right?

So i guess one division heavyweights just wont cut it to make the ATG list.

What? that only applies to smaller guys.

HW's get MORE credit because they can't escape dangerous fighters for long and have only one division they can fight for belts in.

[boliodogs]

Ali, Lewis, Frazier, Foreman, and the lot... Can they be ATG's?

After all they only fought in one weight class?

Or is it only heavyweights like Holyfield that can be ATG's because they moved up at least once?

I keep hearing that boxers need to prove themselves by moving up. Proving your skills isnt enough, you have to beat bigger boxers. Right?

So i guess one division heavyweights just wont cut it to make the ATG list.

This stuff about having to move up is a bunch of BS started by relatively new boxing fans. they mix up a boxer who starts young and grows into heavier weight classes with daring to be great and deliberately move out of a weight class they don't belong in. No intelligent boxer does that. Plus they now have weight classes so close together that moving up only means going up 3 to 5 pounds. The standard for greatness should be staying at a correct weight and dominating that weight. With 4 different champions in most weight classes it's easy for a good fighter to move up in weight by hand picking the weakest champion in the next heavier weight. Staying at one weight and ruling that weight with an iron fist is all that is required for greatness. Examples of great one weight class fighters would be Hagler, Monzon, Bob Foster, Pryor,Zale,Benny Leonard, Kid Chocolate, Jake LaMotta and many more. Some really great fighters were successful in several different weight classes but just as many stayed at one weight and dominated. Both types are equally great. Of course many heavyweights are all time greats but I think you already knew that.

[LoadedWraps]

This stuff about having to move up is a bunch of BS started by relatively new boxing fans. they mix up a boxer who starts young and grows into heavier weight classes with daring to be great and deliberately move out of a weight class they don't belong in. No intelligent boxer does that. Plus they now have weight classes so close together that moving up only means going up 3 to 5 pounds. The standard for greatness should be staying at a correct weight and dominating that weight. With 4 different champions in most weight classes it's easy for a good fighter to move up in weight by hand picking the weakest champion in the next heavier weight. Staying at one weight and ruling that weight with an iron fist is all that is required for greatness. Examples of great one weight class fighters would be Hagler, Monzon, Bob Foster, Pryor,Zale,Benny Leonard, Kid Chocolate, Jake LaMotta and many more. Some really great fighters were successful in several different weight classes but just as many stayed at one weight and dominated. Both types are equally great. Of course many heavyweights are all time greats but I think you already knew that.

[Robbie Barrett]

If there was quality fighters at MW nobody would want him to move up. Great fighters seek out challenges. Let's also not forget how they've been saying constantly for years how they'd move to 168, nothing wrong with asking someone to back up their words.

[HughJass]

Ali, Lewis, Frazier, Foreman, and the lot... Can they be ATG's?

After all they only fought in one weight class?

Or is it only heavyweights like Holyfield that can be ATG's because they moved up at least once?

I keep hearing that boxers need to prove themselves by moving up. Proving your skills isnt enough, you have to beat bigger boxers. Right?

So i guess one division heavyweights just wont cut it to make the ATG list.

Lol great trolling,all those names are ATG regardless of only ever being heavyweights except Holyfield who obviously started at cruiser.

[bwilson]

Ali, Lewis, Frazier, Foreman, and the lot... Can they be ATG's?

After all they only fought in one weight class?

Or is it only heavyweights like Holyfield that can be ATG's because they moved up at least once?

I keep hearing that boxers need to prove themselves by moving up. Proving your skills isnt enough, you have to beat bigger boxers. Right?

So i guess one division heavyweights just wont cut it to make the ATG list.

Most of them named were undisputed champions. We won't see many more ATG greats at heavyweight as long as there are multiple titlists at the same time.

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I don't remember "fighting in many weight classes" ever mattering before a few years ago. It seems like a marketing invention. Does anyone genuinely consider it that impressive?

It's not like these guys are featherweights fighting welterweights. They are guys who put on muscle and became welterweights. Fighting guys who also at some point in life grew and gained weight. There is nothing especially impressive about it.

I'm more likely to see fighters who jump weights as kind of gimmicky or cherry picking. A guy who reigns over a division or even attempts to unify the belts has nowhere to run.

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If there was quality fighters at MW nobody would want him to move up. Great fighters seek out challenges. Let's also not forget how they've been saying constantly for years how they'd move to 168, nothing wrong with asking someone to back up their words.

Seems like a certain type of poster (shady *** types usually) will always ignore the fighters in Golovkin's division who are ducking him and keep nagging about his "refusal to move up" despite his physical stature not being suited for 168-175.

He is smaller than Canelo and I've yet to see any serious calls for Canelo to face Kovalev or Ward.

These people are not infuriated at Quillin Jacobs Canelo etc not calling Golovkin' They are infuriated at Golovkin for not fighting uncompetitively larger men for no apparent reason. Many of them are semi-illiterate and post in the lounge about being descended from mystic pharaohs. Hmm what could be their motive.