Comments Thread For: Loeffler: Brook's Performance May Give Others Courage To Sign!

[Progrssive_Jedi]

should also give others the courage to fight in different divisions for once in their career...

Oh good, Canelo has fought same division his whole adult career.

At the age Canelo turned pro, GGG was a Amatuer.

At 19, GGG was a WW.

Difference is GGG turned pro at 25.

Canelo won a second division, but he hasn't fought a MW yet.

[icha]

Oh good, Canelo has fought same division his whole adult career.

At the age Canelo turned pro, GGG was a Amatuer.

At 19, GGG was a WW.

Difference is GGG turned pro at 25.

Canelo won a second division, but he hasn't fought a MW yet.

And who has been the one parroting anyone from 154 to 168 for years??? That wasnt canelo , was it??

[Bronx2245]

It definitely gave Saunders some courage! Everybody at 168 is praying that he moves up, after last night! I bet we here from Chavez Jr. any day now!

[Ake-Dawg]

The length of my posts sometimes is an intention build-in mechanism to prevent hardcore Fl0mos from joining the discussion. This is meant to save me time by limiting the number of dumb questions and inconsistent logic that get sent to my inbox.

I think most people just skip over your books. I know I do. It doesn't take that many words to make a point or explain a position. You're trying too hard in my opinion. Besides, all your posts say one of the following
1. Mayweather is bad
2. PBC is bad
3. Wilder ducks
4. Golovkin is amazing

[Ake-Dawg]

Loeffler embodies the attitude of most hardcore Golovkin fans. Talking ****e is seemingly more valuable than purses and legacy. For all the folks who come on these threads and sing praises, you would think that Trips ppv following would be greater. I mean McGregor has higher guaranteed purses seems like it. Why? People pay for highlight real knockouts, style and flare, or to see you lose. Trip gives us none of those three. So until K2 and HBO can make fighting Trip worth the risk, he will be begging for fights as the B side just like he has been begging Alvarez for a fight.

[Metho_4u]

Oh good, Canelo has fought same division his whole adult career.

At the age Canelo turned pro, GGG was a Amatuer.

At 19, GGG was a WW.

Difference is GGG turned pro at 25.

Canelo won a second division, but he hasn't fought a MW yet.

Turned pro at 25, 36 fights later...no A level fighter on his list. A nice long list of excuses though.

[Robbie Barrett]

Oh good, Canelo has fought same division his whole adult career.

At the age Canelo turned pro, GGG was a Amatuer.

At 19, GGG was a WW.

Difference is GGG turned pro at 25.

Canelo won a second division, but he hasn't fought a MW yet.

Canelo started at 140 you dumb ****.

[Robbie Barrett]

Exactly. Even though GGG is the A-side and a star, he is willing to fight for no more than $3 mil guaranteed, often less than that.

Meanwhile your beloved Al Haymon duckboys won't even fight him for $3 mil when they're the B-side, including ones who have never made more than half that.

Again Floyd makes over 50 mill a fight so what's 3 mill for me to fight the most avoided fighter https://t.co/pomVk21GKg

— Peter Quillin (@KIDCHOCOLATE) September 10, 2016

/End thread. /End entire argument about GGG, or Al Haymon. Peter Quillin just let the cat out of the bag for all time about how things work with PBC fighters, for all time. The debate that has raged since Haymon came on the scene is officially over. Peter Quillin's admissions just ended it.

That is, if Floyd saying "we're not fighting to prove to boxing fans who the best is" didn't end the debate already. If Floyd saying it's good his team hand-picks fights for him because "everything is supposed to go easy for me" hadn't exposed Haymon fighters already. If Floyd blatantly advising Canelo to duck GGG and advising Andre Ward, a "scaled down light heavyweight," to duck other natural light heavyweights like Sergy Kovalev, hadn't exposed the philosophy of PBC already.

If Danny Garcia's father saying why should they fight Thurmans when they can make money fighting Salkas didn't expose these PBC fighters already.

If Julian Williams tweeting about every middleweight ducking GGG, all the 154s in his own stable (they are all with Haymon but Canelo) ducking him, and insinuating how top young guys are actually supposed to fight each other (a jab at Haymon), didn't expose PBC already.

If Keith Thurman talking about how this is a different era and the best don't really want to fight the best anymore on his side of the street since Floyd and Haymon came along didn't expose them already.

If Kenny Porter's frustration about how long it took for Shawn to get top names in Haymon's stable didn't expose the philosophy of Al Haymon and most the PBC fighters who chose to take and agree with his "advice" already.

If Artur Beterbiev saying he would fight Kovalev if offered, then rejecting what Yvon Michel admitted was a "very fair offer" right after in his home town in Russia, did not expose PBC fighters already.

If Adonis Stevenson declining the Kovalev fight while at HBO as long as they would allow it based on his word, then signing with Haymon the moment HBO tried to demand it, then running to Showtime, then petitioning to move up the WBC purse bid before Duva could get outside financing, didn't expose PBC fighters already.

I hate to break it to you Scipio since you've fallen for these fighters so badly, but your favorite boxers are for the most part not boxers. You have very few to root for anymore. The PBC "fighters" are businessmen. Not "I'll fight the best but the reward has to be equal" businessmen. They are mostly "I will never fight the best because I either don't care or am not good enough to create a legacy in the sport, but I can make a comfortable living cherry picking" businessmen. Businessmen who decline career-high paydays to duck Korobov, of all people. Declining over twice their career highs to duck GGG.

Right now in boxing you have a handful of guys on HBO, like GGG, Kovalev, Lomachenko, etc, who are the last examples of actual boxers, fighters, sportsmen in boxing right now. Fury, Klitschko, Luis Ortiz if he's clean, Chocolatito, guys like that. Inoue, Rigondeaux, and so on. Then you also have a few duckers like Canelo.

But on the PBC side, you have a couple guys who are real boxers, but the ratio is reversed. You have a couple guys, but then you have just a huge laundry list of guys who are no longer sportsmen, they are about paychecks for easy fights and that's it. They don't want to dare to be the best, or don't think they can. They have embraced Mayweather's philosophy that actually advises fighters against making the biggest fights in the sport for career high paydays.

I thought Floyd was about money? GGG-Canelo is the biggets money fight in the sport, and he tells Canelo not to do it. Kovalev-Ward is the biggest money fight for both of them at their natural weights, Floyd tells them not to make it.

SO IF FLOYD, whose strategy goes hand in hand with Haymon's, IS PUBLICLY ADVISING GUYS OUTSIDE HIS STAPLE SPECIFICALLY NOT TO MAKE THE BEST, BIGGEST FIGHTS IN THE SPORT, DESPITE HUGE PAYDAYS, YOU CAN BET THAT THAT HE'S ALSO PRIVATELY ADVISING GUYS WITHIN HIS OWN STABLE NOT TO MAKE THE BEST, BIGGEST FIGHTS IN THE SPORT!

It's that simple. It always was. The last five years of unprecedented ducking in boxing make so much more sense when you realize that this is literally the culture, the philosophy, taught to PBC fighters by Floyd and presumably Haymon. Now that we know because they keep admitting it, the discussion is over. Quillin stated it very clearly, and many others, as I have iisted, have admitted the same thing. The cat is out of the bag. The mystery, the debate, is over.

It has become clear that PBC considers boxing to be too dangerous of a sport to indulge in at the top level, period. Period. That's what it is. They will fight Thurman level guys after marinating for years, but we have never seen a name PBC fighter fight a true elite risk like prime GGG or prime Pacquiao, and we probably never will.

This is how it is. PBC is purely a business venture, full of "businessmen" not fighters trained by Floyd and Haymon to avoid any fight they are at risk of being hurt in, including the biggest and best fights in the sport, no matter the money involved. These are not fighters willing to take risks for a great reward, and daring to be great, these are businessmen who will simply not take real risks because Al Haymon will keep subsidizing them infinitely with moderate paydays to fight non-competitive opponents.

There are a few exceptions, like JRoc, who even with no political impediments have an awful time getting other PBC fighters to fight them. He has been waiting on Charlo all year! Andre Berto wanted Danny Garcia but even Berto is too big of a risk for Garcia!

So even though there are a few exceptions like JRoc, for the most part the PBC stable has been exposed as led by people who don't believe in the best fighting the best, and who advise fighters not to fight the best even when the money is there. And now the fighters themselves have exposed that the PBC fighters have been taking that advise, and operate the exact same way.

Why fight Thurmans when you can fight Salkas? That is the PBC motto.

That is what Floyd is advising them, and they are listening. And that is the real reason why, despite all these arguments back and forth, the best fights have rarely happened. PBC fighters are not interested in that, and the few who are, like JRoc Williams, appear to get stonewalled for years at a time. /End debate. The truth is out.

PS this also proves what I have been trying to tell you guys, which is that so many fans rooting for GGG instead of Haymon fighters has nothing to do with race. More white fans would love to root for more American fighters, black fighters, PBC fighters, the way I have taken to Julian Williams, but as long as most of them are advised by Haymon and Floyd, there is really no one to root for unless they go against the advice of their own advisers, which is very rare. They are all so risk adverse, so against the sport of boxing and just trying to ransack whatever money is left in it without contributing anything to it at the elite level, that it is impossible for any non-biased fan to support them. Williams is the one guy speaking out against this strategy of ducking the best because he feels he is the best, so the ducking only holds him back the same way it's held GGG back, but very few others are speaking out because the rest of them are not the best in their divisions, so they benefit from the ducking.

I have hope for Errol Spence because I think he will be the best at 147 very soon, and therefore he could conceivably not be protected like most the PBC guys. The problem is they will likely protect him anyway because they don't believe in real risk, period, no matter how good you are. So it has nothing to do with race. We would love to root for these guys. I rooted for Danny after he upset Khan, that was a great moment. Same with Stevenson after Dawson. But I quickly realized they were looking to go risk-free the rest of their careers unless shamed into a good fight, so I couldn't support them anymore. It just proves race never had anything to do with it on the side of logical fans. It's the biased ones actually rooting on duckers who obviously have some separate reason for it because certainly what they have contributed in terms of boxing legacy or boxing entertainment does not warrant support over the real legacy sportsmen boxers.

/End thread. The debate is over, but the ducking by most PBC fighters and certain HBO fighters like Canelo who took Floyd's advice will continue on until fans wise up to who is ducking, and who is really trying to be great, and stop supporting the ones who have been ducking.

[boxinggod101]

I think thats what will happen. Seriously even though he won the fight, he did look bad... He was swinging widly and when he was getting punch he had no answer. Dont get me wrong, I dont see anyone beating him at MW, but I want to see what a Jacobs punch would do on him. But again, Jacobs could and probably wouuld get KO so...

Some guys finally found their balls after they saw alot of flaws in GGG. Lets see what will happen next

[Metho_4u]

I think thats what will happen. Seriously even though he won the fight, he did look bad... He was swinging widly and when he was getting punch he had no answer. Dont get me wrong, I dont see anyone beating him at MW, but I want to see what a Jacobs punch would do on him. But again, Jacobs could and probably wouuld get KO so...

Some guys finally found their balls after they saw alot of flaws in GGG. Lets see what will happen next

It showed 1 real thing...GayLoveKin has avoided pure boxers for a reason, the only one he really has fought is maybe monroe who's still not great, and has very little power, the truth is there. Like I've said, the hype train has overrated goods inside.