Comments Thread For: Roach: I'm Glad We Got Vargas Instead of Crawford at This Point

[Bushbaby]

Well, hell. This is what happens. When you have one atg fighting washed up never beens, might as well have his contemporary nemesis fight someone who was never really that good. Can't blame one, but not the other. Or you could blame them both, like me, lol!!

[KingTito]

Roach has more or less made it clear that he's worried about Crawford. The thing is, if Manny hopes to beat him, it'd be best to fight sooner rather than later. Vargas is a fun fight, but not the one we wanted. And we know why. They want to take the least amount of risk because they're trying to secure a Floyd rematch. I'm not in an outrage. I don't blame them. Manny has nothing to prove, and they, and maybe Manny himself, don't want to be mixing it up with the best, prime fighters around. In that case however, he should have just stayed retired. Unless they know something we don't about a Floyd rematch.

[PunchyPotorff]

If Floyd fights Oscar @ 154. Oscar is washed up. Pac fights Oscar @ 147, Pac had a great win! Floyd beats Hatton in 2007, Hatton was washed up! Pacquiao beats Hatton in 2009, Pac had a great win! Floyd beats Mosely in 2010, Mosely was washed up! Pacquiao beats Mosely in 2011, Pac had a great win! Pacquiao beats Margarito @ 150, awesome victory! Floyd beats Canelo @ 152, Canelo was weight drained! Floyd beats Guererro in 2013, it was a mismatch! Pacquiao beats Rios in 2013, great win! Floyd beat Maidana in 2014, it was a mismatch! Pacquiao fights Algieri in 2014, great win! You can admire Pacquiao for being a "good guy," "great character," "humanitarian," "exciting fighter," etc., but Floyd was a much better "boxer!' NO CONTEST!

Sorry, I have to go take a pill so my head doesn't explode from so many triangle theories in one place.

Both fighters are at about the same talent level, but for somewhat different reasons. Like I said, I'll watch a Pac fight any day over a Floydie fight... that is unless I need a sleeping pill. Then it's Floydie... for about 10 minutes tops... then it's ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

And BTW, there's this thing called EDIT at the bottom of your post... that miraculously YOU CAN USE TO EDIT YOUR POST, thereby avoiding having to do two or more posts. Wow! What an amazing discovery!

[PunchyPotorff]

Oh, I almost forgot, Roach says Pacquiao was given "suspect shakes" by Ariza, Pac is clean! Floyd hires Ariza, and gets a "suspect IV" Floyd is dirty! Another double standard!

It's no secret Roach hated Ariza because he wanted to act like a bigshot. And no, nothing Ariza did had anything to do with an IV found by the commission or the testing organization at Floydie's house. As for Pac, no one ever found positive proof he juiced. The same cannot be said about Floydie.

[The Big Dunn]

So many triangle theories, so little time. Ha

Seriously, there are so many more reasons to be in the Pac camp than the Floydie camp. You remember Floydie, the rich guy who was finally caught with an IV, and who is so rich and such a 'bank-that-can't-fail' to Vegas that he avoided further hot water. And Floydie consistently avoided anything but the easiest fights in his final years of being active, and even then, made the fighters pass thru the eye of a needle with the restrictions (Maidana's gloves, JMM size differential, Joe Cortez etc etc). And don't come back with 'they agreed blah blah blah'. Who wouldn't reluctantly agree to a big paycheck? But the biggest reason IMO to like Pac more than Floydie would have to be how boring Floydie's fights are compared to Pac's. It's no contest. And I've seen some times when supposed fans of the science of boxing would dismiss other technical performances as boring... yet not dismiss the typical Floydie performance which played out the exact same way. And it isn't a stretch to see Floydie is basically a low classed whiny thug in many instances... while Pac has been a humanitarian for several years, AND a good example for any kids who may look up to him like kids often do with sports icons. Talent wise, both fighters are at a similar level. Class? No contest. Pac wins every time.

while Pac has been a humanitarian for several years, AND a good example for any kids who may look up to him like kids often do with sports icons.

was this when he was cheating on his wife, impregnating hookers, and bashing gays?
Also, Floyd is a level or 2 above Manny. something he showed when they fought.

[Bronx2245]

Sorry, I have to go take a pill so my head doesn't explode from so many triangle theories in one place.

Both fighters are at about the same talent level, but for somewhat different reasons. Like I said, I'll watch a Pac fight any day over a Floydie fight... that is unless I need a sleeping pill. Then it's Floydie... for about 10 minutes tops... then it's ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

And BTW, there's this thing called EDIT at the bottom of your post... that miraculously YOU CAN USE TO EDIT YOUR POST, thereby avoiding having to do two or more posts. Wow! What an amazing discovery!

You can argue that Pacman is more exciting, but they are not on the same talent level at all! Ask Marquez and Cotto, they'll tell you!

[Bronx2245]

It's no secret Roach hated Ariza because he wanted to act like a bigshot. And no, nothing Ariza did had anything to do with an IV found by the commission or the testing organization at Floydie's house. As for Pac, no one ever found positive proof he juiced. The same cannot be said about Floydie.

No one found positive proof that Floyd juiced! They both had a "suspect" S&C coach, in fact Pacquiao had two:

January 14, 2014:

Well, it wouldn't be the first time that Roach said he suspected one of his fighters was using performance-enhancing drugs, but turned a blind eye to it. "I won't say I didn't know," Roach freely admitted back in March of 2010 when he discussed James Toney testing positive for steroids five years prior. "I never asked him, though. I never had a conversation. I could see his body structure had signs, his traps and stuff. He was either lifting a lot of weight or he was on (something)." In that same interview, Roach also insinuated that he knew another one of his fighters used steroids. "I think I had one other fighter on steroids also, Justin Fortune. I know he'd been there before," Roach added. Although that second claim has gone unsubstantiated thanks to a defamation lawsuit filed by Fortune, it should be noted that in a sworn statement, Roach said Fortune admitted to him that he did indeed use performance-enhancing drugs. "During the time that I trained [Fortune], [he] told me that he had used cycled performance enhancing drugs when he was training for the World Games as a power lifter in his home country of Australia," Roach explained in the statement. "Based on the information provided me by plaintiff, I believed that (he) had used PEDs."

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article15933.html

Guess who trained Pacquiao after Ariza? You guessed it...Justin Fortune!

[PunchyPotorff]

You can argue that Pacman is more exciting, but they are not on the same talent level at all! Ask Marquez and Cotto, they'll tell you!

You have your opinion, I'll have mine friend.

[PunchyPotorff]

No one found positive proof that Floyd juiced! They both had a "suspect" S&C coach, in fact Pacquiao had two:

January 14, 2014:

Well, it wouldn't be the first time that Roach said he suspected one of his fighters was using performance-enhancing drugs, but turned a blind eye to it. "I won't say I didn't know," Roach freely admitted back in March of 2010 when he discussed James Toney testing positive for steroids five years prior. "I never asked him, though. I never had a conversation. I could see his body structure had signs, his traps and stuff. He was either lifting a lot of weight or he was on (something)." In that same interview, Roach also insinuated that he knew another one of his fighters used steroids. "I think I had one other fighter on steroids also, Justin Fortune. I know he'd been there before," Roach added. Although that second claim has gone unsubstantiated thanks to a defamation lawsuit filed by Fortune, it should be noted that in a sworn statement, Roach said Fortune admitted to him that he did indeed use performance-enhancing drugs. "During the time that I trained [Fortune], [he] told me that he had used cycled performance enhancing drugs when he was training for the World Games as a power lifter in his home country of Australia," Roach explained in the statement. "Based on the information provided me by plaintiff, I believed that (he) had used PEDs."

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article15933.html

Guess who trained Pacquiao after Ariza? You guessed it...Justin Fortune!

The proof Floydie juiced (and had probably juiced for many fights) was laid on in an article about the time the story broke, 2-4 weeks AFTER the Berto fight. From what I read, it was obvious he juiced. And look at his punch resistance his last dozen or so fights. And since when would Fortune in Pac's camp mean anything? I'd choose Floydie as juicing over Pac. But, again, we'll just have to agree to disagree friend. Have a fun weekend.

[PunchyPotorff]

while Pac has been a humanitarian for several years, AND a good example for any kids who may look up to him like kids often do with sports icons.

was this when he was cheating on his wife, impregnating hookers, and bashing gays?
Also, Floyd is a level or 2 above Manny. something he showed when they fought.

One thing Manny does too much of, is talk to the scribes. The gay comments were very ignorant. He needs a publicist, as do most top fighters. And, he wasn't smart when he just said he needs to fight because the senate job doesn't pay enough. When we're young, sometimes we disclose too much about ourselves. Then we grow up and usually stop doing that. Pac needs to grow up, as does Floydie. And friend, like I said, Pac has gotten his life together. He hasn't always been a humanitarian or a good husband/father. People can change. But Floydie beat his ex in front of their kids. That's one pathetic puzzy IMO. And that disgusting rant toward his Dad was pathetic too. Certainly hope he grows up soon. He too is overdue.

As for talent levels, Floydie barely beat a one-armed fighter. Whether you think his shoulder injury was legit or not doesn't matter. It was legit.