Everyone Wants to Talk About Floyd's IV - What About Pac-Monster's Toradol Abuse???

[travestyny]

You are still lost and did not learn. Not sure what's point anymore.

Do I have to explain to you everything? There are lots of variables. NOT every person will have the same results!!! If that was the case then there only needs to be one study and that's it but you know that is not the case. That is why the study tells you that some were able to dilute after 1.5 hours and some it took 2 hours!!! BUT did it take 48 hours as you thought
it would take? Nope! In fact he went from 53 to 10 only 30 minutes after drinking his 2nd liter of water and soon after 8 .... 53/8 = So this subject went more than 5X down after 1.5 hours and close to 7X after 2 hours.

You completely missed the point. There is a big difference in going from 53ng to 10 and 400ng to 50. The point is, if 1 liter of water dilutes 400ng to 50, how the **** did over 3 liters only dilute 53ng to 10? LMAOOO. You're a clown.

The study is only drinking 1 liter per hour not 1 gallon at a time as you are making it seem. BTW - your logic is dumb. Nobody every said that they can dilute to 0. That is nonsense but you said it! Dilution is just to beat the threshold tests!!!

So 1 liter per hour couldn't get 53ng to 0, but it can get 400ng to 50? LMAOOOOO. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. How idiotic are you? And actually, dilution to 0 can be done. Go look at YOUR studies, foolio. LMAO. How many times am I gonna prove you wrong? Do some ****ing research. And my main point was never about dilution to zero. It was about diluting well over 300ng to 61ng, which you still haven't proven at all. Not one of your studies shows how it is done. SHOW IT and the amount of time it takes!

You are the one that is ducking. Everything points to it being plausible to dilute. What your "expert" said was impossible but as pointed out even in the podcast, several studies, the article, its very possible. Start with answering that!!!

LMAOOOO. Boy, you are a real piece of ****.

1. Only one of us is ducking. Posters in the Dome straight up called you a pvssy and you didn't respond.

2. You are still going on about impossible when the doctor said implausible. That's because you're an idiot.

3. Podcast? LMAO. A referee? You're kidding me right? That's your evidence? LMAOOOOOOOO

4. Studies???? LMAOO. YOUR STUDIES HELP ME YOU CLOWN.

A. First study you showed had subjects drinking 1 gallon and going not diluting 53ng to zero. How the **** do you dilute well over 300ng to 61?

B. Your second study had two guys that went from around 230ng to something low, yet that is nowhere near WELL ABOUT 300NG and it had nothing to do with specific gravity because the specific gravity wasn't measured.

C. Your last "study" showed no subjects, had a graph that you claim started in the beginning somewhere and didn't tell how long it takes to get a person from 400ng to 50ng, you also claimed it showed the time to get from 400ng within passing range naturally which is WRONG. And the kicker. The study says 1.003specific gravity is what happens when you drink 1 liter of water, which if true proves that Nick Diaz DIDN'T EVEN DRINK 1 LITER OF WATER AFTER THE FIGHT! LMAOOOOO!

I see that you are deflecting or you finally understand that its now possible to dilute and not medically impossible?

I pointed out numerous points to back my statement while you pointed out nothing remotely close to say its impossible. So stick with this then we move on!!! STOP DUCKING ME!!! Just say that you are WROOONG!!!

No you didn't point out shlt. You're just a buthurt loser and that's why you won't show up. I've been kicking your ass about this topic all over this thread. I'm gonna keep doing it because it's fun owning you. I'm gonna keep calling you out in the Dome because you are too pvssy to show up. You're a disgrace. You can't even admit that you are wrong. You are still claiming that the doctor said it's impossible. Oh it's possible. I admit that. Even within the time he had, which is the main point of the doctor that you keep ducking. It's possible to dilute from Nick's level in the time that he was given...but Nick might be dead from it, and in the least would be in danger of dying. How's that for you, asswipe?

So you are in agreement that SMRTL was not consistent with WADA protocol. Got it! So where else did they go wrong and we do not know? Makes me wonder now!

LMAO. So you are in agreement that Quest also tests diluted specimens at the request of NSAC. I wonder where else the ****ed up. Oh...that's right. When the DCO wrote Diaz' name on the sample and didn't complete the chain of custody correctly. Yea, that's right. I don't have to wonder. I know!

How do we know for sure? They screwed up with TEST #1. So who knows what's going on here!!! THey cannot even follow WADA protocol and you hate that but now that SMRTL did something that was not part of the WADA protocol you say that you are "cool" with that. Too funny!

3 tests with similar results. One test in left field. You aren't too bright are you?

Under oath the DCO said that even though the box was not checked he remembered that he still did it! That is all that we need to know.

LMAOOOOOOOOOO. WOW. LOOK AT YOU. OH, BECAUSE HE SAID SO AND WAS UNDER OATH, IT MEANS SOMETHING TO YOU NOW? HOW ABOUT THE MRO? YOU COME JUST SHORT OF SAYING HE IS FLAT OUT LYING FOR DIAZ, YET YOU BELIEVE THAT BUMBLING IDIOT THAT ****ED UP IN HIS DUTY AS A DCO AND HAD NEXT TO NO TRAINING DOING THE JOB. LMAOOOOOOOO! YOU ARE A CLOWN!

Question: No check mark ... but if you had to do it again, would you or should you have checked it?
Witness: yes
Question: Was that Diaz's urine sample?
Witness: yes, no doubt.

THANKS FOR ADMITTING THAT HE ADMIT HE ****ED UP. NOW DOES THAT MEAN HE FOLLOWED PROTOCL...OR DID HE **** UP. KINDA OF MAKES YOU WONDER...WHAT ELSE DID HE **** UP. LMAOOOOO.

BUT what is for sure is that SMRTL didn't follow WADA protocol!!! Yet you are "cool" with that. lol

WRONG. NOT ONE PERSON HAS ARGUED THAT SMRTL DIDN'T FOLLOW WADA PROTOCOL FOR THE 3RD TEST. AS FOR THE 2ND, SMRTL ISN'T REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE PROTOCOL BECAUSE THE TEST IS FOR NSAC WHO IS NOT A WADA SIGNATORY. THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE. SMRTL TESTS ACCORDING TO WADA'S STANDARDS. THAT'S THEIR ****ING JOB. THERE IS NO RULE THAT SMRTL CAN'T ANALYZE A SAMPLE THAT IS DILUTED MORE THAN WADA'S STANDARDS, FOOL.

Again, SMRTL made one mistake that we know of. they screwed up by not following WADA protocol. Did they make more? Hmmmm .....

1. SMRTL didn't make a mistake. There is no rule that they can't analyze a sample with that specific gravity.

2. Quest, on the other hand, DID MAKE MISTAKES! VERIFIED. You just typed it out! So um...once again, you putting your foot in your mouth.

I agree, its a WADA accredited lab but they screwed up by not following WADA protocol.

They followed WADA protocol fool.

If you say that TEST #3 is consistent with TEST #1 and TEST #1 is certainly useless then we might as well throw BOTH test results out of the window! lol

LMAO. This is one of the most moronic things you've said! And trust me, you've said some moronic things.

1. It was a completely different sample.
2. It was collected properly.
3. It was within specific gravity guidelines.

But according to you, they should just shut down the lab. LMAOOOO

So What does that say about Quest?

You are still falling back to a unreliable number just like the so called expert did. YOU FAIL!!!

Even the "expert" witness said that its not surprising to have different results. Even the QUEST expert agreed when questioned. Only YOU do not agree. One of these things does not belong, one of these things is not the same, ..... his name is Travestyny!

??? What? DIfferent results...BECAUSE ONE IS WRONG YOU MORON.

Screwing up?
1) If SMRTL screwed up with TEST #1 then there is more of a probability that they are the ones that keep on screwing up.

Yea, they screwed up by coming back and getting a suitable sample later. Makes lots of sense.

2) Question to the "expert" who has been involved with QUEST many times before:
Question:Have you ever heard of Quest being wrong on a Cannibas (marijuana) test?
Response from expert: No!

HAAHAHAHA. QUESTION TO ADP02: HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF SMRTL BEING WRONG ON A CANNIBIS TEST?

Yet you think that Quest is wrong and the admitted marijuana user that said that he still uses thought that he would pass the threshold test! lol

HOW MANY TIMES HAS HE TESTED ABOVE THE THRESHOLD? PLEASE TELL ME. THEN THINK ABOUT HOW MANY TESTS HE TOOK...MOST BEING WITH YOUR BELOVED QUEST. BUT YEA, HOW MANY TIMES DID NICK THE ADMITTED POTHEAD TEST ABOVE 150NG?

Gold standard yet they screw up on their own protocol and Diaz's defense has numerous crack yet you believe? WOW! lol

SCREWED UP BY COMING BACK TO GET A SUITABLE SAMPLE? SCREWED UP BY TESTING A SAMPLE FOR AN ENTITY THAT IS NOT A SIGNATORY TO WADA? LOL. UR A FOOL.

perhaps that is where the original 1.003 and 1.006 specific gravity result came from! More differences! Yikes! This I would like to know for sure because all initial reports said 1.006

but then in court they just brought up the LAB results.

but if true its worse than I thought!

IT WAS YOU RUNNING WITH THE 1.006 BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO RESEARCH. THE 1.009 IS THE KEY TO THIS WHOLE THING AND SHOWS DEFINITIVELY THAT YOU ARE WRONG. YOU WON'T GO NEAR IT THOUGH I'VE PRACTICALLY BEGGED YOU TO DISCUSS IT. YOU'RE A ****ING COWARD.

Its a completely different sample of urine so its NOT like sample B!!! Like I said, they knew that it would come back positive. 2 tests QUEST did came back positive!!!

It's rare for a B sample to be negative .... like a hen having teeth lol

Still reading minds I see.
Does rare mean impossible?

Quest didn't do 2 tests you ****ing moron. They tested the same sample that may have been ****ed up because of the bumbling idiot DCO and who knows what else.

Ducking?

YESSS DUCKING!!! LMAOOOOO. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I CALLED YOU OUT. YOU'RE A COWARDLY BlTCH AND YOU KNOW IT!

I'm actually the only one that came back with stats to show that you and the so called expert have it all wrong! Even that podcast says it all.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. YOU HAVEN'T SHOWN 1 STAT. AND A PODCAST FROM A REFEREE? DID HE EVEN GRADUATE HS? THE ****? HE'S NOW A TOXICOLOGIST? LMAO.

Why do you not come up with something to show that its medically impossible? You cannot! Why? because its possible .....

I did you clown. I showed you it was medically implausible. AND I USED YOUR OWN DAMN STUDIES TO SHOW YOU.

1. Your study says 1.003 is 1 liter of water. Nick Diaz was at 1.009. That means he drank less than 1 liter of water! lmaoooo.

2. Your other study shows people hydrating with 1 gallon of water. None of them got anywhere near 300ng down to 60, much less 733ng.

ot one? Did you check the podcast? lol Or are you talking about those who did not like that Diaz got 5 years for marijuana? Well, I think that is too much too. Where do I sign?

BUT

that is quite different than saying that Diaz, who has screwed up on multiple occasions is innocent this time!




Lol ..... everyone that is stating an objective opinion you do not care about. Nor studies nor anything or anyone else. Actually others appreciate his opinion. Only Diaz fans do not like it ..... but most do not like the 5 year suspension which was reduced.

He told you that its possible! Studies state so too. The article agrees ..... comical. He knows you do not get!

LMAOOOO. PLEASEEEEEE. LET'S GO TO THE THUNDERDOME AND POST UP YOUR REFEREE AGAINST MY MRO. DON'T BE A BlTCH. STEP UP! IF I LOSE, I'LL NEVER RETURN...IF YOU LOSE, NO PENALTY FOR YOU. YOU DOWN, BlTCH BOY? ANSWER THE QUESTION!

Unless you really have something but I know you do not or else you would have shown me by now, YOU ARE WROOOONG!!!

I smashed your point that its medically impossible. Once you learn that, we can move on. if you cannot even understand that then its useless. Sorry!

LMAOOOOO. WHY THE **** ARE YOU STILL DVCKING MY QUESTION!!!!!!!!! I'M GONNA POST IT ONE MORE TIME FOR YOU. MAKE IT REAL CRYSTAL CLEAR WHAT I WANT YOU TO ANSWER

YOU BETTER STOP DUCKING IT LIKE A BlTCH!

[travestyny]

WHEN IS A TUE NOT REQUIRED FOR AN IV INFUSION?

If the athlete has an acute medical condition where an IV line was essential for treatment in a hospital admission, surgical procedure, or clinical investigation. Examples would be a severely dehydrated athlete with signs of circulatory compromise, the need for an IV line during a surgical procedure, and IV line in the antibiotic treatment of an acute infection, etc…
Clinical investigations to diagnosis medical conditions, such a medical imaging, may also require IV administration of non-prohibited medicine which is permitted.
In emergency circumstances, IVs may also be given by paramedical staff or physicians on the field of play, but an emergency TUE application is required as soon as reasonably possible after treatment has been received. Examples may include a semi- or unconscious athlete, an athlete who cannot tolerate oral fluids, or treatment of an acute injury.
IV infusions during home visits, urgent care or after-hours clinics, boutique IV and rehydration services, and doctor’s office visits are not hospital admissions and would require an approved TUE in advance.
What does this say NOBJOCKEY, does this say in advance, if they didn't mean " in advance", they wouldn't write it, BUT THEY DID WRITE IT, you need to do better ****LIPS, keep looking sac licker

You asked me to show you in the ISTUE, which is the only mandatory document regarding this issue. I showed you.


Now I'm asking you...show me in the ISTUE anything that supports your opinion. IT'S SIMPLE. IF YOU CAN DO THAT...YOU WIN. BUT IF NOT...YOU LOSE!


LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. WHAT YOU GOT?

[travestyny]

I'm actually the only one that came back with stats to show that you and the so called expert have it all wrong!

I'm going to make this real clear for you. Now see if you can follow along. I'm only going to use YOUR STUDIES.

Current federally-regulated workplace drug testing programs have established 20 mg/dL as a cut-off for indicating a dilute specimen. Again, this cut-off reflects an approximately 8-fold dilution from typical levels. This level of dilution does not occur with normal water consumption (e.g. after an 8 oz.(240 ml) glass of water) but rather after consumption of 1 liter(~4 glasses) of water over a short period of time (i.e. 30minutes).

1 liter of water is enough to dilute 8 fold, according to YOUR STUDY. Let's find out what that means for specific gravity.

Current federally-regulated workplace drug testing programs have established 1.003 as the lower cut-off for specific gravity. This cut-off reflects approximately an 8-fold dilution from typical levels.

So this same 8-fold dilution, which is achieved by drinking 1 liter of water, is what would bring down a person to a specific gravity of 1.003 according to YOUR STUDY. Ok. Got it? You following? Just for good measure:

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Ok, you sure you got it now? After 8-fold dilution, one liter of water, the subject is at 1.003 according to YOUR STUDY.

Nick Diaz:

9:36pm: Fight with Silva ends. He lingers in the ring. He does NOT drink while in the ring. Gives an interview. At some point he leaves. It's around 9:45 at least.

10:38pm: Slightly dehydrated at creatinine 168.4mg/dl. No conclusive evidence he was drinking water. Perhaps it didn't take effect yet? Ok.

11:55pm: Specific Gravity = 1.009

This means that he drank less than 1 liter of water? Correct? Correct? I mean, because 1.003 is 1 liter according to YOUR STUDY.

Now, you once tried to say that maybe in that short period of time, his specific gravity began to rise. Well according to YOUR STUDY:

Recovery of urine test measures to pretreatment levels occurred over a period of 8-10h after the start of fluid ingestion.

So it takes about 8 - 10hours after fluid ingestion for hydration levels to begin returning to normal? Hmmm. Well, that's out the window.

Now let's look more closely at YOUR STUDY. You claim 400ng can be reduced to 50ng with just 1 liter, though you don't give a time. Ok. Let's cross reference this with an actual study to verify it. Again, this is from YOUR STUDY:

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Subject D began the study with 53ng of marijuana metabolite.

By the end of the study, subject D had drank 3.79liters of water and had a specific gravity that went as low as 1.001. This should have been enough to dilute from 400ng down to 50ng according to your study because it was A) More than 1 liter and B) more than 8-fold dilution.

However, Subject D only got the 53ng as low as 5ng. You can go look at any of the other subjects in the study as well. Let's take another one from YOUR STUDY just for the hell of it.

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Subject G finally gets 53ng down to 0ng after over 2 hours and almost 2 liters of water. The specific gravity is at 1.003. I don't have to tell you that is diluted by WADA standards.

So in conclusion, if YOUR STUDIES are correct:

1. They prove Nick Diaz didn't even drink 1 full liter of water because 1 liter would cause a specific gravity of 1.003.

2. Your studies show plenty of subjects drinking over 1 liter and diluting more than 8-fold, yet not one gets a value of over 300ng down to 60ng.

3. After drinking just 2 quarts of water, all subjects in YOUR STUDY were at a specific gravity equal to or lower than 1.006.

YOUR STUDIES PROVE YOU ARE WRONG!

YOUR THEORY:

Nick Diaz began drinking at 9:45pm at least, yet he is somehow slightly dehydrated at 10:38pm. He then continues to drink for the next hour and 17 minutes in the presence of 2 DCO's and his specific gravity shows less than 1 liter of water was taken.

Yea. I think you're done.

[Shape up]

WHEN IS A TUE NOT REQUIRED FOR AN IV INFUSION?

If the athlete has an acute medical condition where an IV line was essential for treatment in a hospital admission, surgical procedure, or clinical investigation. Examples would be a severely dehydrated athlete with signs of circulatory compromise, the need for an IV line during a surgical procedure, and IV line in the antibiotic treatment of an acute infection, etc…
Clinical investigations to diagnosis medical conditions, such a medical imaging, may also require IV administration of non-prohibited medicine which is permitted.
In emergency circumstances, IVs may also be given by paramedical staff or physicians on the field of play, but an emergency TUE application is required as soon as reasonably possible after treatment has been received. Examples may include a semi- or unconscious athlete, an athlete who cannot tolerate oral fluids, or treatment of an acute injury.
IV infusions during home visits, urgent care or after-hours clinics, boutique IV and rehydration services, and doctor’s office visits are not hospital admissions and would require an approved TUE in advance.
Again, it CLEARY states IN ADVANCE, that's not my opinion, that's WADA REGULATIONS, I asked you to show me where it CLEARY STATES that you can get a retro TUE for a home IV, what you posted does not say that loser, keep trying numbnuts

[Shape up]

ISTUE , that there is no reasonable the****utic alternative available--------------- would that be drinking water do you think NOBJOCKEY, your job is getting harder ****head

[travestyny]

ISTUE , that there is no reasonable the****utic alternative available--------------- would that be drinking water do you think NOBJOCKEY, your job is getting harder ****head

1. A WADA SPOKESMAN HAS CONFIRMED THAT A RETROACTIVE TUE CAN BE ISSUED For an IV to combat dehydration.

2. THE ISTUE CLEARLY STATES THAT A RETROACTIVE TUE CAN BE ISSUED FOR AN IV NOT GIVEN IN A HOSPITAL.

3. THE APPLICATION FOR A TUE WAS APPROVED BY AN INDEPENDENT PANEL OF DOCTORS THAT DID NOT HAVE FLOYD MAYWEATHER'S NAME ON THE APPLICATION, WHICH CLEARLY MEANS ALL REQUIREMENTS WERE MET, INCLUDING THE REQUIREMENT ABOUT NO REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE BEING AVAILABLE.

4. THE APPLICATION FOR A TUE WAS SENT TO WADA, WHO CAN REVIEW IT AND OVERTURN IT AT ANYTIME OR PLACE SANCTIONS ON USADA IF USADA HAS DONE ANYTHING WRONG.

YOU LOSE, YOU DUMB BlTCH. KEEP CRYING AND MAKING UP ****. I'll just keep laughing at your dumb ass. Remember, I twice made you say the ISTUE is irrelevant.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! DUMB BlTCH! TELL ME HOW MY ASS TASTES!

[Shape up]

You keep posting the same **** nobjockey, post the specific rule that says you can get a retro TUE from a home IV, I posted the specific rule that says it needs to be in advance loser, I see you ignored the ISTUE rule about if there is a reasonable the****utic alternative, your a disgrace, Floyd is a cheat, that sums it up quite well I think loser

[travestyny]

You keep posting the same **** nobjockey, post the specific rule that says you can get a retro TUE from a home IV, I posted the specific rule that says it needs to be in advance loser, I see you ignored the ISTUE rule about if there is a reasonable the****utic alternative, your a disgrace, Floyd is a cheat, that sums it up quite well I think loser

I showed you in the MANDATORY ISTUE, which made you say it was irrelevant. LMAO


Show me what you got from the ISTUE. I DARE YOUUUUUUUU!!!!! If you can't...you lose, bltch!

[travestyny]

http://www.lineupmma.com/?powerpress_pinw=504-podcast
At 15 min mark He is calling it BS what the "expert" said and more but you can listen in from the start if you wish. He said similar to what I said.

Oh, so sorry. Forgot to add your precious PODCAST into all of this! LMAO.

1. First of all, he had the time wrong. Said 1 hour 45 minutes between tests. It was 1 hour 17 minutes. But that's not even important to me.

2. Said that you can accomplish what Nick needed to do with 2 - 3liters of water.

3. Said that after 2 liters of water, you'd be pissing mostly water.

LMAOOOOO. LOOK WHO FORGOT TO MENTION SPECIFIC GRAVITY!

What do your studies say again?
1. Specific gravity plummets after 2 quarts (1.8 liters). No subject had a specific gravity above 1.006 after 2 quarts in 2 hours. How the **** does Nick have specific gravity of 1.009 after 2 - 3 liters in 1 hour 15 minutes OR even 2 hours?

2. Your other study says 1 liter puts the subject at 1.003 specific gravity. So how the **** did Nate drink 2 - 3 liters!


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA. Boom!

You brought this all up because of specific gravity. Now you are dvcking discussing specific gravity. I've asked you about his 1.009 specific gravity many times and each time you've avoided it.

THIS IS FUN. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO KEEP GOING OR DO YOU WANNA YELL UNCLE NOW?

[IR0NFIST]

Here comes a new challenger!