Everyone Wants to Talk About Floyd's IV - What About Pac-Monster's Toradol Abuse???

[travestyny]

Your post is completely devoid of any merit. The WADA doctor's statement was made prior to Jon Jones testing positive for cocaine. Her opinion - although very insightful - was preconceived, and despite her effort to educate us on the complexities involving T:E ratios - Jon Jones still ended up testing positive for cocaine.

Wrong. Her statement came after his positive cocaine results. Second, that is completely irrelevant to whether he was taking testosterone, ******. Thanks for embarrassing yourself yet again.

[travestyny]

Sorry but you had no evidence on Manny's injury just speculation yet you went out and started threads and so on because you were convinced that Manny did not have a FULL THICKNESS rotator cuff injury.


As for FLoyd passing some tests, Lance Armstrong boasted the same way about his tests ...... and we now know the truth that it meant NOTHING!

No evidence? How about him skipping rehab to play basketball? How about all the lies his team told? We've gone through this so shut the **** up. Any idiot can see it was only an excuse, but you are beyond idiotic.

Keep bringing up Lance though it has absolutely nothing to do with Floyd.

[travestyny]

IS this the first time that Floyd's urine was dark? What did he do in the past when his urine was extremely dark? Oh yeah, he ate and drank to rehydrate himself.


As for your "independent" doctors, here is who appoints them .... BOOM!



http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uplo...2015_MoMed.pdf


"It is the responsibility of the ADO (USADA) to appoint a team of qualified physicians that will serve as the TUEC and review the TUE application.

"USADA considers retroactive TUEs only in emergency circumstances, and generally requires 28 days of processing time for a TUE application."

So the lab wasn't independent since USADA chooses it. Shut the **** up. The doctors would have to be privy to the lies, and then WADA would necessarily be a part of it too, but you have never explained why USADA would involve the TUEC and WADA when if they wanted to help him cheat, they'd just need to stay away. IT MAKES NO SENSE! Stop crying. It's been over a year. Your boy got used like a sparring partner and made up a lame ass excuse. Get the **** over it.

[ADP02]

Let me help you out. Ask yourself this:


1. How much time would've elapsed if Manny took the shot at the hotel until the 12th rd?

From what I read, it was very possible to have taken the meds at the hotel and for it to be effective for the fight.

There are many factors .......

"The peak analgesic effect of TORADOL occurs within 2 to 3 hours and is not statistically significantly different over the recommended dosage range of TORADOL. The greatest difference between large and small doses of TORADOL by either route is in the duration of analgesia .
Duration of analgesic effect is usually 4 to 6 hours.
."

[travestyny]

From what I read, it was very possible to have taken the meds at the hotel and for it to be effective for the fight.

There are many factors .......

"The peak analgesic effect of TORADOL occurs within 2 to 3 hours and is not statistically significantly different over the recommended dosage range of TORADOL. The greatest difference between large and small doses of TORADOL by either route is in the duration of analgesia .
Duration of analgesic effect is usually 4 to 6 hours.
."

How about you stop ducking the question about why his doctor attempted to shoot him up with toradol when he was at his normal state?

Doesn't that mean he attempted to cheat? Are you going to finally answer?

[ADP02]

No evidence? How about him skipping rehab to play basketball? How about all the lies his team told? We've gone through this so shut the **** up. Any idiot can see it was only an excuse, but you are beyond idiotic.

Keep bringing up Lance though it has absolutely nothing to do with Floyd.

So what you are saying is that your evidence is just because Manny didn't want to go from his country all the way to USA to do his rehab he didn't have a FULL THICKENSS TEAR? WOW!


Manny told you that he did his own SELF REHAB where his doctors saw his SELF REHAB and said it was AMAZING ..... but you are ignoring all of that and going with you NOTHINGNESS!!!


Lance, Floyd and anyone else for that matter. You cannot be naïve enough to say "passed 19 test so it proves bla bla bla"

Not even USADA buys that when they discuss someone other than Floyd:
USADA admitted as much in the report outlining its evidence, saying that “the contention that an absence of positive drug tests is proof that a cyclist is clean does not bear serious scrutiny.”

[travestyny]

So what you are saying is that your evidence is just because Manny didn't want to go from his country all the way to USA to do his rehab he didn't have a FULL THICKENSS TEAR? WOW!


Manny told you that he did his own SELF REHAB where his doctors saw his SELF REHAB and said it was AMAZING ..... but you are ignoring all of that and going with you NOTHINGNESS!!!


Lance, Floyd and anyone else for that matter. You cannot be naïve enough to say "passed 19 test so it proves bla bla bla"

Not even USADA buys that when they discuss someone other than Floyd:
USADA admitted as much in the report outlining its evidence, saying that “the contention that an absence of positive drug tests is proof that a cyclist is clean does not bear serious scrutiny.”

WRONG. He said he didn't go to rehab and salt water healed his wound. Last time you said he was talking about his 3 dot scar.

Do you want to try to explain that statement again? I dare you

[ADP02]

So the lab wasn't independent since USADA chooses it. Shut the **** up. The doctors would have to be privy to the lies, and then WADA would necessarily be a part of it too, but you have never explained why USADA would involve the TUEC and WADA when if they wanted to help him cheat, they'd just need to stay away. IT MAKES NO SENSE! Stop crying. It's been over a year. Your boy got used like a sparring partner and made up a lame ass excuse. Get the **** over it.

Even the WADA committee presented the issues that can arise with the process including what you stated. When an ADO always selects a certain LAB, the "independent" becomes less "independent" and actually it can be "dependent" and a cause for concern. Again, not my words. Just like in the case with Russia and other scandals. There is often a link between the so called independent groups.


Now we are talking about Floyd and his links with USADA. So that is why you can throw that "independent" doctors out of the window.


WADA review is optional and that was more than likely the case. Even then, what would they be reviewing? If USADA met the WADA protocol at minimum, there is nothing that WADA would say or do because Floyd would not have given them documents with a bunch of holes. As long as there is no investigation WADA would be blind to what was going on. So stop it with your nonsense! I already told you this and you continue to play the ignorant card!!!

[Dosumpthin]

Are you serious? That's not an investigation.

What is the preceded agency that you suggest investigate floyd, usada, wada and NSAC?

WADA has clarified that the use of IV infusions to treat mild dehydration or simply accelerate recovery IS NOT an acceptable medical use of IVs in sport. For more information please read https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resource...cs-intravenous

WADA
It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred therapeutic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion.

You have no idea what the offical medically diagnosed causeof Floyd's dehyrated state - therefore you, nor Thomas Hauser, is in position to determine acceptable treatment.

You must have missed it but Floyd said that for the last few days prior to the fight that he was going to relax and just do a "little bit" of exercise just to "stay sharp" and "shake out".

Floyd didn't even have to point out the obvious. Who would be working out strenuously to the point that he is severely dehydrated the day before a fight? It just does NOT make sense but at least we have Floyd admitting that he didn't.

Also, Floyd admits to making weight easily for a decade.

You assume Floyd's dehydration is SOLEY caused by an external circumstance - disregarding any internal medical condition or aliments - then attempt to apply WADAs code.


No matter how many times you spam threads with Floyd's 30 day weight or what he ate for breakfast - it will never change the fact that you do not know the medical condition that contributed to dehydration and warranted the use of an IV.

Go ask Arum but he was probably implying that they got USADA approval that they can use the meds come fight night. Even NSAC said that by putting the meds on the form it meant that they were signaling the potential to use it on fight night.

1. Asking if a drug is on WADA prohibited list while never disclosing an injury is not "USADA approval for treatment 1 hour before the fight".

2. "implying" by stating something that is untrue is, by definition, a lie.

Question is why lie?

Why lie about notifying NSAC in writing?
Why lie about receiving a TUE?
Why lie about approval of treatment?

Why does Bob Arum feel the need to deceive the public about treatment regarding Manny injury?


If Bob Arum is willing to lie about something so cut and dry, what else are they lying about?

I posted what a doctor has to say about those meds used by Manny. The meds were for the pain and would do little to help him with any weakness that he may have had due to the FULL THICKNESS TEAR to his shoulder. Got it?

No I don't get it. He didn't have a full thickness tear heading into the fight in the dressing room. Only after he loss.

He had a tear - that was 100% healed - but was painful - that was at 100% strength - but required toradol - that caused him to lose - but the pain wasn't noticeable - even though we lied about approval and intentionally never mentioned the injury, we were sabatoged - but salt water fixed it.


So was he 100% or was he weakened? If toradol was NEEDED - why proceed if the shot was denied?

Furthermore, you must know that it would have been dumb to use those meds unless its for pain. Manny was fighting Floyd who we know threw mostly "touch" jabs" in that fight. That's what Floyd does. There was no heat from Floyd with the force of a truck or brick wall being thrown at . You guys are hilarious ....

So Manny was running in the beginning of the 11th round because of.........







If an athelete in a combat sport requires toradol for an injury - then that athelete should not be able to compete.

[ADP02]

How about you stop ducking the question about why his doctor attempted to shoot him up with toradol when he was at his normal state?

Doesn't that mean he attempted to cheat? Are you going to finally answer?

The doctor said that Manny was injured. The meds were for pain.

Steps:
1) Take the meds
2) Train
3) Manny felt less to no pain

So there plan going into the fight was to do the same.

Again you do not understand any of this or actually do NOT want to. If I would have said that it was Floyd who wanted to use XYLOCAINE even though he felt OK going into the fight, you would have said that's different. Floyd wanted to use it because he thought it may hurt him after 7 or 8 rounds so to you, it would have been acceptable. Right?


Maybe you never played sports but you think that Manny is the first to want meds for an injury that he just got even if it felt better? That is crazy talk!


You are trying to use the "final" decision against Manny and are acting dumb? Please explain why????. The NSAC said that there is no way that Manny is going out there with the meds. NSAC had as fall-back the pre-fight form. So the ball was in Manny's court. They made a team decision and let the NSAC know that Manny is good enough to fight that night even without the meds. BUT the truth is that they had NO CHOICE!!! You got it? I doubt it!

If they say that Manny was not ready and willing to fight, the sh$t would have hit the fan big time and you know it.