Comments Thread For: Golovkin Warns Saunders: My Goal is The WBO Belt, I Want it Next

[Mr. Luthor]

He would still be the lineal champ at MW, so technically he could be a simultaneous world champ, but under Ring rules he should be stripped of the belt when he fights in another weight class. The rule is very clear on that. Lets see if Oscar follows his own rules.

Im not buying that "he never fought at the full limit" talk. The MW division is from 155-160. Canelo has been fighting at MW for 3 years now. It doesnt even sound right to me to say "the MW champion is going to move up to MW...". We have divisions for a reason. My opinion is that you move up or down a division ie from JMW to MW. I cant see gaining a few pounds within a single division as a "move up" He is "moving up" from MW (155) to MW(160)??

Then you say he is fighting at 154 amd can call himself a 154 fighter. My man, this is what started our whole convo. You said Canelo was an option for BJS and I responded that he says he is a 154 fighter. Now you're saying he can call himself a 154 fighter, just like I said to begin with. So which is it, is he a 154 fighter, or is he a 160 fighter having a "one off" fight at 154? I guess that depends on whether we're talking about a fight with GGG or one with Saunders.

You've given several examples of fighter moving up (I guess you mean actual divisions now, rather than just "moving up" within a division). I'll give you another example of a fighter moving up then returning to his original division. Saul Alvarez. He moved up to MW, won a title, (handed it over to GGG) then moved back down to his original division

Canelo will not be stripped because the rule is not simply fighting in another division. Canelo and any RING champion has a certain amount of time to defend their RING title and I'm pretty sure Canelo fulfilled that requirement when he fought Khan at 155

"The Champion does not schedule a fight at his championship weight for 18 months (even if he fights at another weight)." The RING

Your not buying the "he hasn't fought at the full limit" talk but what you're buying doesn't matter and doesn't change the fact that Canelo has not fought at the 160 limit and doesn't have to in order to keep his RING and Lineal titles.

Canelo does consider himself a 154 lb fighter and he also considers himself a Middleweight champion because he's won titles in both divisions and will probably be a simultaneous champion in both divisions in a few weeks. Competing in both divisions makes him a Jr Middleweight and a Middleweight.

If there is no difference between fighting at a limit of 155 and fighting at a limit of 160, then Golovkin should have no problem facing Canelo at 155. Hmmmm.....

Correction: Saul Alvarez moved up to MW, won MW titles, vacated one of those MW titles while retaining the RING and Lineal MW titles. Golovkin picked up the title vacated by Alvarez yet is still in the same position as he was before.....at Alvarez's mercy.

[GGG Gloveking]

Canelo will not be stripped because the rule is not simply fighting in another division. Canelo and any RING champion has a certain amount of time to defend their RING title and I'm pretty sure Canelo fulfilled that requirement when he fought Khan at 155

"The Champion does not schedule a fight at his championship weight for 18 months (even if he fights at another weight)." The RING.

Come on dude. Now Im thinking you're just being difficult. How can you give me reason #3 and just gloss over condition #2...

. Here are the seven situations in which a champion can lose his belt:
The Champion loses a fight in the weight class in which he is champion.
The Champion moves to another weight class.
The Champion does not schedule a fight in any weight class for 18 months.
The Champion does not schedule a fight at his championship weight for 18 months (even if he fights at another weight).
The Champion does not schedule a fight with a Top-5 contender from any weight class for two years.
The Champion retires.
The Champion tests positive for a banned substance.

[GGG Gloveking]

Your not buying the "he hasn't fought at the full limit" talk but what you're buying doesn't matter and doesn't change the fact that Canelo has not fought at the 160 limit and doesn't have to in order to keep his RING and Lineal titles.

Canelo does consider himself a 154 lb fighter and he also considers himself a Middleweight champion because he's won titles in both divisions and will probably be a simultaneous champion in both divisions in a few weeks. Competing in both divisions makes him a Jr Middleweight and a Middleweight.

You're treating each pound like its own weight class. Either he is a MW (160 and below) or he isnt. What division is 155?

And I know he considers himself both a MW and a JMW. When its talking about Saunders, hes a MW. When its time to fight Golovkin, he becomes a JMW.

One more time, the words of Oscar De La Hoya, spoken yesterday...

“Well, basically, it’s the team’s decision,” De La Hoya said. “You know? Canelo knows his body. His trainers know his body. And the bottom line is Canelo’s a 154-pound fighter. The fact that he fought at 155, people expect him to go up and fight at middleweight. And that’s not the case. He’s a 54-pounder.

[bojangles1987]

Good luck with that. We all know how b*tch made the middleweight division is.

[Cinci Champ]

This is getting old now. K2 need to shower BJS with millions to make it happen then - and that aint happening.

Make a fight with Khurtsidse who is WBO's no. 1 behind Saunders. Beat him and become Saunder's mandatory. Force that fight-shy guy to give up his belt or fight. Khurtsidse would be a very watchable fight anyway.

i feel like im the only one with no desire to see this fight

[Kigali]

Only a scab chases a WBO crap strap.

[Kigali]

Good luck with that. We all know how b*tch made the middleweight division is.

GGG is the reason it's so bi.tch made.

[r1onnie2]

The only way this fight happens is if Saunders is forced to fight GGG IMO.

[HeroBando]

GGG is the reason it's so bi.tch made.

Yeah no ****, he turns brave men into mice. Canelo, Jacobs Saunders, Eubank, they're not natural born cowards

[mick1303]

Canelo will not be stripped because the rule is not simply fighting in another division. Canelo and any RING champion has a certain amount of time to defend their RING title and I'm pretty sure Canelo fulfilled that requirement when he fought Khan at 155

"The Champion does not schedule a fight at his championship weight for 18 months (even if he fights at another weight)." The RING

Your not buying the "he hasn't fought at the full limit" talk but what you're buying doesn't matter and doesn't change the fact that Canelo has not fought at the 160 limit and doesn't have to in order to keep his RING and Lineal titles.

Canelo does consider himself a 154 lb fighter and he also considers himself a Middleweight champion because he's won titles in both divisions and will probably be a simultaneous champion in both divisions in a few weeks. Competing in both divisions makes him a Jr Middleweight and a Middleweight.

If there is no difference between fighting at a limit of 155 and fighting at a limit of 160, then Golovkin should have no problem facing Canelo at 155. Hmmmm.....

Correction: Saul Alvarez moved up to MW, won MW titles, vacated one of those MW titles while retaining the RING and Lineal MW titles. Golovkin picked up the title vacated by Alvarez yet is still in the same position as he was before.....at Alvarez's mercy.

Of course you would like the situation when "Golovkin is at Canelo's mercy". But alas it is no longer the case. Golovkin got what he wanted from Canelo - his WBC belt. You may whine all you want about "not being won in the ring", if coward does not want to fight, what else is there - drag him kicking and screaming? These "ring and lineal" titles are marginalized to a degree that noone cares about them. "Ring" is influenced by Canelo's promoter, while lineal was like a hot potato moved from one ducker to another, starting Martinez. Why would Golovkin want to go to any length to get these? Only remaining reason is money. But he is doing quite good by himself. I don't like Brook fight one bit, but have to admit that it opens UK market for him if nothing else. So Canelo can do whatever he wants and fight whoever he wants. His reputation is stained forever. And if BJS will run from GGG to Canelo's laps, then he will get a part of this stain rub on him. Boxing fans know the deal, after a while general public will recognize it as well.