Should boxers who test positive for illegal drugs be allowed into IBHOF?

[Francis M.]

He didn't get caught USADA was informed and present throughout.

An application for a TUE will only be considered for retroactive approval where:

a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or

b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or

c. It is agreed, by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.

Mayweather being treated for dehydration falls under these rules. That's why he was given a TUE.

http://www.usada.org/substances/tue/policy/

As i said, ****** Pac fans not understanding shit.


BTW IV's are not illegal under NSAC rules, you should really know what you're talking about before trying to get in to a discussion.

Floyds team was smart to have USADA implement testing and fall back to NSAC when USADA protocol and rules are not convenient. USADA messed up in handling this case and had to issue Floyd TUE to cover their own reputation and interest.

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They're all on PEDs. Getting caught for some loophole mistake shouldn't even single you out for punishment anymore.

You have guys like Anthony Joshua walking around with such ridiculously obvious signs of steroid use then some fighter will get busted for marijuana or a microtrace of a heart medication.

I've lost all faith in drug testing

[ADP02]

Retroactive TUEs are given in circumstances where there isn't time to apply for a TUE before (it takes weeks to be approved). This has been explained to you many times with links to USADA and WADA's sites showing you. Why do you choose to ignore this you dense fuck?

You can come up with conspiracy theories all you like but the fact is Mayweather didn't break the rules.

Not me who is dense its YOU! There have been links showing that Floyd did not require no IV.

For one, the rules do not agree with you that one can delay giving a urine sample for 6 hours and one of the reasons for the delay is that he wanted to go bet on a basketball game ... but maybe I'm wrong and you will tell me that its all OK (but I know I'm right!).

So if a guy who takes PEDs has the DCO at his front door, he can just say,
"I need an IV because I'm dehydrated. Oh, and don't worry, my Dr Alez Ariza will fill up all the paper work and give it to you 3 weeks later .... wink wink"

What you are ignoring is the fact that Floyd did NOT require an IV because if he did then EVERY athlete who needs to cut weight can do the same thing. The thing is that USADA has been going to organizations and telling them they can no longer request an IV to rehydrate even if it 20lbs.No can do except if your name is Floyd.



But the craziest part about it is that Floyd said he made the weight EASILY!!! So why the IV Floyd?


Reasons for dehydration:
USADA/WADA website does not believe this but at one point in time neither did Floyd and his fans:
1 and 2) "Blood and urine contributed to me requiring an IV" - Floyd .... but the same Floyd said if someone says that then they must be on PEDs because giving blood will not be an issue. His fans agreed with him but now its just a conspiracy theory to them

"Giving blood doesn't make you weak, not being able to juice because you have to give blood makes you weak" --- Floyd Mayweather of 2011

Floyd also said its also due to training/exercise but USADA now confirms that WADA clarified this too:
"Also, WADA clarified “the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild re-hydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature.”



BTW - You said this in regards to a TUE "it takes weeks to be approved"

Well, USADA just rubber stamped Floyd's request because it did not take no weeks to approve. Floyd handed the request to them and the next day Floyd got it back approved!!!




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[ADP02]

Dude, you really have to let it go.

1. Yes he delayed, but he gave a partial sample from before the IV.

2. That you can drink doesn't mean that it is the most effective way to treat dehydration. I've told you this plenty of times and I've linked you to WADA saying the same thing.

Oral rehydration is usually highly effective, yet there may be cases such as documented hyponatremia where hypertonic saline by IV is more effective than oral treatments.
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....ons_3.0_EN.pdf

When you get his medical records, perhaps you can find out if he had any condition that made IV rehydration necessary.

3. Ellerby said training made Floyd dehydrated, and giving blood and urine contributed to it. You really cling to the urine thing as if he means it was the main reason he was dehydrated. Just stop.

4. Already showed you that Dela Hoya's weight was stable, yet he needed IV rehydration. Just admit you don't know what you are talking about.

5. Your final point makes no sense. We already know that IV rehydration is banned without a TUE. He got a TUE. Check his medical records if you have a problem with it.

6. And once again, WHY THE HELL WOULD HE TRY TO MANIPULATE HIS BLOOD LEVELS WHEN HE WASN'T TAKING A BLOOD TEST????????

Just give it up. Move on.

1. There was a delay of many hours then Floyd gave a partial to show that he couldn't urinate much (another red flag. Read below Sean Kneebone) BUT there is still a delay and it was NOT an adequate amount to test.

2. "Give him a bottle of water and wait 45 minutes and you'll get your urine sample" said Sean Kneebone, a former Olympic track and field sprint coach with a great deal of experience preparing elite athletes for peak performance and navigating drug testing protocol."
""I find it hard to believe that Floyd Mayweather's team would have allowed this to happen, particularly given the magnitude of the fight and who he was facing," said Kneebone. "You don't go into a fight with Manny Pacquaio and mess up something as basic as cutting weight. As far as we know, Mayweather has never had problems making the 147lb limit, so at the very least, this is a red flag that warrants further investigation."

Hyponatremia: You keep on bringing this up but with no explanation as to how Floyd had this. There are several reasons why this made no sense.
For one, this can cause brain injury and the treatment would go on for days. Floyd was not rushed to no hospital for, at the very least, precautionary reasons and to get a proper diagnosis!



3. Nope. I bring up 3 points. If any one of them is wrong, its a red flag. When out of the 3, one is a definite lie and the others are bogus, its enough for me.
URINE: Its a lie

BLOOD: Floyd's own statement back in 2011. read it and weep:
"Giving blood doesn't make you weak, not being able to juice because you have to give blood makes you weak" --- Floyd Mayweather of 2011

Exercise: USADA/WADA said its not a good excuse but Floyd wasn't even doing that at the time. He was just relazing and weighed in, drank enough water to rehydrate as per recommendations by USADA/WADA/studies .... and as stated above by Sean Kneebone, if urinating was supposedly the problem.


4. Sorry its you that does not know what you are talking about.I may have missed your post on Oscar but weighing in at 145 was not normal for Oscar so please do not even go there!!!

5. When Floyd got the IV he had no TUE. USADA came to the rescue and got him that. Be honest, you think that USADA didn't bend the rules a bit here? If Floyd got one then every athlete who cuts weight should be allowed no questions asked. Get Dr Ariza and USADA and you get a TUE after the fact THat is nonesense and you know it!

6. "When rHuEPO is administered in competition, it is anticipated that athletes use very small dosages of epoetin alfa administered IV in the evening, probably followed by considerable water intake. Such hyperhydration-masking schemes is intended to increase the urine flow, dilute the urine, and thereby reduce the amount of EPO in the collected sample. The Swiss cyclist Thomas Frei tested positive for rHuEPO in 2010. At a press conference just after testing positive, he acknowledged that the only reason that he failed the test was that he forgot to drink 1 L of water as he usually did after administering microdosages of rHuEPO."

[travestyny]

1. There was a delay of many hours then Floyd gave a partial to show that he couldn't urinate much (another red flag. Read below Sean Kneebone) BUT there is still a delay and it was NOT an adequate amount to test.

2. "Give him a bottle of water and wait 45 minutes and you'll get your urine sample" said Sean Kneebone, a former Olympic track and field sprint coach with a great deal of experience preparing elite athletes for peak performance and navigating drug testing protocol."
""I find it hard to believe that Floyd Mayweather's team would have allowed this to happen, particularly given the magnitude of the fight and who he was facing," said Kneebone. "You don't go into a fight with Manny Pacquaio and mess up something as basic as cutting weight. As far as we know, Mayweather has never had problems making the 147lb limit, so at the very least, this is a red flag that warrants further investigation."

Hyponatremia: You keep on bringing this up but with no explanation as to how Floyd had this. There are several reasons why this made no sense.
For one, this can cause brain injury and the treatment would go on for days. Floyd was not rushed to no hospital for, at the very least, precautionary reasons and to get a proper diagnosis!



3. Nope. I bring up 3 points. If any one of them is wrong, its a red flag. When out of the 3, one is a definite lie and the others are bogus, its enough for me.
URINE: Its a lie

BLOOD: Floyd's own statement back in 2011. read it and weep:
"Giving blood doesn't make you weak, not being able to juice because you have to give blood makes you weak" --- Floyd Mayweather of 2011

Exercise: USADA/WADA said its not a good excuse but Floyd wasn't even doing that at the time. He was just relazing and weighed in, drank enough water to rehydrate as per recommendations by USADA/WADA/studies .... and as stated above by Sean Kneebone, if urinating was supposedly the problem.


4. Sorry its you that does not know what you are talking about.I may have missed your post on Oscar but weighing in at 145 was not normal for Oscar so please do not even go there!!!

5. When Floyd got the IV he had no TUE. USADA came to the rescue and got him that. Be honest, you think that USADA didn't bend the rules a bit here? If Floyd got one then every athlete who cuts weight should be allowed no questions asked. Get Dr Ariza and USADA and you get a TUE after the fact THat is nonesense and you know it!

6. "When rHuEPO is administered in competition, it is anticipated that athletes use very small dosages of epoetin alfa administered IV in the evening, probably followed by considerable water intake. Such hyperhydration-masking schemes is intended to increase the urine flow, dilute the urine, and thereby reduce the amount of EPO in the collected sample. The Swiss cyclist Thomas Frei tested positive for rHuEPO in 2010. At a press conference just after testing positive, he acknowledged that the only reason that he failed the test was that he forgot to drink 1 L of water as he usually did after administering microdosages of rHuEPO."

Still talking the same bull****.
1. USADA followed WADA's rules for when an athlete can't give a complete sample. Obviously this occurs sometimes since WADA has rules in place for This situation.

2. Simple. Did Floyd have any condition that made IV rehydration more effective? Do you know? You don't, do you? Well then you have nothing to go on.

3. Anything that causes you to lose water can lead to dehydration, so just stop. You have no idea what he was doing right before the fight. Was he still running?

4. Oscar was at 143 a full month before the fight, weighed in at 145 and rehydrated to 147 or something like that. I gave you links to this before. A month of being around that weight is stable, no? And he didn't rehydrate 20 lbs. this ends your ******ity about stable weight.

5. Many posters have told you about WADA's retroactive TUE Rules. If you don't want to accept it, that's on you. Stop spreading false info.

6. Already told you his piss was given the specific gravity test. You claimed he wanted to mask his blood levels, but it wasn't a blood test. That shows how idiotic your speculation is.

[Robbie Barrett]

Not me who is dense its YOU! There have been links showing that Floyd did not require no IV.

For one, the rules do not agree with you that one can delay giving a urine sample for 6 hours and one of the reasons for the delay is that he wanted to go bet on a basketball game ... but maybe I'm wrong and you will tell me that its all OK (but I know I'm right!).

So if a guy who takes PEDs has the DCO at his front door, he can just say,
"I need an IV because I'm dehydrated. Oh, and don't worry, my Dr Alez Ariza will fill up all the paper work and give it to you 3 weeks later .... wink wink"

What you are ignoring is the fact that Floyd did NOT require an IV because if he did then EVERY athlete who needs to cut weight can do the same thing. The thing is that USADA has been going to organizations and telling them they can no longer request an IV to rehydrate even if it 20lbs.No can do except if your name is Floyd.



But the craziest part about it is that Floyd said he made the weight EASILY!!! So why the IV Floyd?


Reasons for dehydration:
USADA/WADA website does not believe this but at one point in time neither did Floyd and his fans:
1 and 2) "Blood and urine contributed to me requiring an IV" - Floyd .... but the same Floyd said if someone says that then they must be on PEDs because giving blood will not be an issue. His fans agreed with him but now its just a conspiracy theory to them

"Giving blood doesn't make you weak, not being able to juice because you have to give blood makes you weak" --- Floyd Mayweather of 2011

Floyd also said its also due to training/exercise but USADA now confirms that WADA clarified this too:
"Also, WADA clarified “the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild re-hydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature.”



BTW - You said this in regards to a TUE "it takes weeks to be approved"

Well, USADA just rubber stamped Floyd's request because it did not take no weeks to approve. Floyd handed the request to them and the next day Floyd got it back approved!!!




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As i said this has been explained to you many times and Mayweather/USADA didn't break any rules. You choose to ignore it or you're a dense fuck. It doesn't matter either way, Mayweather won and is recognised as the best fighter of the era, an ATG. Deal with it you butthurt, salty, Pac turd.

[New England]

He didn't get caught USADA was informed and present throughout.

An application for a TUE will only be considered for retroactive approval where:

a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or

b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or

c. It is agreed, by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.

Mayweather being treated for dehydration falls under these rules. That's why he was given a TUE.

http://www.usada.org/substances/tue/policy/

As i said, ****** Pac fans not understanding shit.


BTW IV's are not illegal under NSAC rules, you should really know what you're talking about before trying to get in to a discussion.

USADA doesn't grant TUE's dude! all they do is hire labs to test for drugs under certain protocols, dummy! you have no idea what you are talking about! floyd's people actually tried to get language into the USADA contract that allowed them to get exemption without telling the NSAC or the other fighter, and pacquiao's people lauged at it! NSAC didn't even f#cking know about this sh#t until three weeks after the fight.
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then the casinos got in their ear. then it all sort of went away

"Bob Bennett (who worked for the FBI before assuming his present position as executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission) has this to say: “The TUE for Mayweather’s IV - and the IV was administered at Floyd’s house, not in a medical facility, and wasn’t brought to our attention at the time - was totally unacceptable. I’ve made it clear to Travis Tygart that this should not happen again. We have the sole authority to grant any and all TUEs in the state of Nevada. USADA is a drug-testing agency. USADA should not be granting waivers and exemptions. Not in this state. We are less than pleased that USADA acted the way it did.”



dude put roughly 15% of his blood volume worth of saline into his system on the eve of the pacquiao fight. maybe even more. if you don't suspect him of doping you're f#cking nuts.

[HughJass]

For some reason boxers that use plaster casts piss me off more

Like your boi Sergey,he won't get away with it with Virgil and his team.

[Dr Rumack]

It depends. Don't think you can be that cut and dry about it. If all fighters were subject to similar levels of testing then at least it would be fair, because you would have a stronger case for saying the guys being admitted are clean. Without that I don't think you can be reasonable about it.

Up to the guys who do the voting really. If a fighter does something that's way out of line you might expect to see it reflected in their votes.

[MDPopescu]

They're all on PEDs. Getting caught for some loophole mistake shouldn't even single you out for punishment anymore.

You have guys like Anthony Joshua walking around with such ridiculously obvious signs of steroid use then some fighter will get busted for marijuana or a microtrace of a heart medication.

I've lost all faith in drug testing

^^^ Pretty much this..................