If Pac beats Vargas....do you place him above May in the TBE race?

[travestyny]

If you look at my post history, you'll see that I didn't think that one was right. However I'm just going by what the video showed and they were smoking weed prior to that with the kid inside the car.

What is the point of bringing up the weed? Are you saying he deserved to die because he was smoking weed in the car? I fail to see the connection at all. He didn't deserve to die. That's all you had to say.

I don't need to go running around. They know that, just like black people know about their black on black crime.

Then why are you ranting about black on black crime if black people already know about it? If you want to throw a rally to end black on black crime, I'm sure you can apply for a permit and have at it! No one is stopping you, and I'm sure your effort will be appreciated by the *** Movement. You should try it if it is such a big concern of yours.

Eric Garner resisted arrest. If he would of complied with the instructions, he wouldn't of died. He was telling the cops to leave lol. It doesn't work that way.

So how does it work? Cops are then allowed to use illegal tactics to murder him, or were they supposed to use their training to subdue him and take him in? How many cops were on the scene? Three? Four? Why did he have to die? Did he threaten their lives? Did he have a firearm? He told them to leave, and that is reason enough that he was murdered? I'm trying to understand your logic.

Cops have wrongfully killed other races, not just black men.

They should start a movement if they feel this is a recurring issue, don't you think?

but black men kill each other for the smallest of shits. You guys along with other **********, kill each other for a piece of land that doesn't even belong to them in the first place. It's to sell drugs and innocent people are in the middle of their greed cause they don't want to work and make easy money.

This is what "us guys....along with other **********" do? lol. I'm going to let that slide. But tell me....what does crime have to do with people who are sworn to protect and serve instead murdering and harassing? You have yet to explain why it is wrong to protest against police brutality due to the existence of black on black crime. Again, criminals are prosecuted. Police officers are not. There is something being done about crime, unless the crime is committed by police officers.

Cops go into the face of danger in rough neighborhoods every day and people like you expect them to take people teddy bears. FOH!

No. I expect them to do their job. Their job is not to murder. Their job is to protect and serve. The use of deadly force is appropriate under the proper circumstances according to their training. Now which of these situations that we've mentioned presented the right for police officers to use deadly force? I'd love to hear your answer.

[Mr.Fantastic]

What is the point of bringing up the weed? Are you saying he deserved to die because he was smoking weed in the car? I fail to see the connection at all. He didn't deserve to die. That's all you had to say.



Then why are you ranting about black on black crime if black people already know about it? If you want to throw a rally to end black on black crime, I'm sure you can apply for a permit and have at it! No one is stopping you, and I'm sure your effort will be appreciated by the *** Movement. You should try it if it is such a big concern of yours.



So how does it work? Cops are then allowed to use illegal tactics to murder him, or were they supposed to use their training to subdue him and take him in? How many cops were on the scene? Three? Four? Why did he have to die? Did he threaten their lives? Did he have a firearm? He told them to leave, and that is reason enough that he was murdered? I'm trying to understand your logic.



They should start a movement if they feel this is a recurring issue, don't you think?



This is what "us guys....along with other **********" do? lol. I'm going to let that slide. But tell me....what does crime have to do with people who are sworn to protect and serve instead murdering and harassing? You have yet to explain why it is wrong to protest against police brutality due to the existence of black on black crime. Again, criminals are prosecuted. Police officers are not. There is something being done about crime, unless the crime is committed by police officers.



No. I expect them to do their job. Their job is not to murder. Their job is to protect and serve. The use of deadly force is appropriate under the proper circumstances according to their training. Now which of these situations that we've mentioned presented the right for police officers to use deadly force? I'd love to hear your answer.

You know exactly what I was trying to say.

You're the one throwing the rant. I'm just telling you the truth and you don't like it. Instead of ranting about cops, rant about the real issue.

He died cause he was a dumb ass. Shouldn't of resisted. End of story. This isn't like the one where the guy tried to run away and the cop murdered him in cold blood. This one is totally different.

I prefer they use their time and energy on the progress of their own instead of crying over something that will never be perfect. There will always be bad apples in the police force just like there will always be bad black, Mex, white, and others that will ruin it for the good hard working people.

I'm a minority too but I'm not blind unlike others. I grew the fuck up. We all know it's because a white cop did the deed. No one *****es when a black cop does something wrong to a black person. Like I said, it's an excuse for people like you to act a fool. I also don't like that protesters block the highways and shit for the people that actually have to go to work. They need to find another hobby.

[travestyny]

You're the one throwing the rant. I'm just telling you the truth and you don't like it. Instead of ranting about cops, rant about the real issue.

No, you're ranting on a boxing website about a matter that obviously doesn't even concern you. Like dude said, if you're not a part of the solution, go sit your ass down.

There can be more than one important issue, and police brutality is obviously a real issue. Why don't you implore them to rant about both instead of one over the other? Again, maybe it's because criminals are persecuted, but police officers aren't persecuted for criminal behavior. You don't seem to get that or want to address it.

He died cause he was a dumb ass. Shouldn't of resisted. End of story. This isn't like the one where the guy tried to run away and the cop murdered him in cold blood. This one is totally different.

1. So he deserved to die because he was a dumb ass? Wow. If that were the case, you'd obviously be dead already, because that is an idiotic statement.

2. Does the police officer deserve to be persecuted for using an illegal tactic, or no?

3. You try to hammer across your point by pointing out another wrongful death committed by cops??????????????????? lol. Seriously, dude...???

I prefer they use their time and energy on the progress of their own instead of crying over something that will never be perfect. There will always be bad apples in the police force just like there will always be bad black, Mex, white, and others that will ruin it for the good hard working people.

With all due respect, who the **** cares what you prefer? Again, if it doesn't concern you, go sit the **** down somewhere. The system can be better. It's called progress. How about having police officers persecuted when they commit crimes. Maybe that will deter them from behaving badly instead of following their training. Their actions are criminal and they are not persecuted, yet they should be held accountable!

I'm a minority too but I'm not blind unlike others. I grew the fuck up. We all know it's because a white cop did the deed. No one *****es when a black cop does something wrong to a black person. Like I said, it's an excuse for people like you to act a fool. I also don't like that protesters block the highways and shit for the people that actually have to go to work. They need to find another hobby.

An excuse for people like me to act a fool??? I'm sure in your head you know so much about me. If you have a problem with people like me blocking highways, go talk to the governmental agency that issued the permit. If there were no permit, go complain to the authorities about protesters blocking traffic. Or better yet, go play in traffic. Why sit on a boxing website debating an issue that doesn't even concern you, and an issue which you obviously can't even fully understand.

Maybe you should try staying in your lane instead of complaining about things that don't really concern you. It's clear that you don't even know what you're talking about. You're trying to tell grown people what they are allowed to be upset about, which is obviously moronic.

[The Big Dunn]

Calzaghe didn't lose either. He took calculated risks just like Floyd. Pac has the better resume and it's pretty obvious to why.

I am praising him. I praise good people if they have the common sense to do so and make this world a better place. I think both Trump and Clinton are full of shit but I'll take Trump over Clinton. I'll pick the smarter, harder working, and blunt.

*** is racist and promotes hate. I know there is good people on there and I have no hate towards them but most just want a handout and cry about shit when they're not crying about the real problem....black on black crime. I praise smart black people, not idiots.




He beat him sure but he didn't fight him when it truly mattered. Most of the time when a boxer picks money, it takes a hit to their legacy. How often do we see true greats fighting in their prime compared to back in the days? That's what $$$ does and boxers and promoters are going to keep milking away. As a fan, I'm tired of that shit.

NO, Manny doesn't have the better resume. That's why objective people always put Floyd ahead of Manny. That doesn't mean Manny's resume is bad.

you and others like to look at Floyd through one lens and Manny through another instead of looking at them through the same lens.

Yeah, right you are praising him. You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how warped it is. Referencing black on black crime is the same as putting the Sheriff in your avi.

How could he have beaten Manny "when it mattered" when Manny kept refusing to fight? Floyd didn't turn down drug testing, have his promoter's son in law put unneeded stitches in his head or turn down $40 mil, no ppv-what would've been the biggest payday in his career by over 40%.

We don't see it often because HBO structures their deals where only 1 of the 3 or 4 fights is an actual real one. The rest are bogus. Now PBC/Haymon has begun to do same with their top guys.

If you are truly tired of it (and lets be honest, you only care when its Haymon associated fighters) then stop supporting BS fights. Don't support GGG or Canelo if they don't fight each other, same you do when Haymon guys don't fight each other.

Support smaller cards on weekday nights on Foxsport1, bounce, and other networks beside HBO. Showing support may lead to them giving us the fights we as fans were used to seeing.

[CatchAndShoot]

I already have him above Floyd, regardless. I just don't get this fight, at all. Its pointless. He needs to jsut pass the torch to TC, and call it a career.

If he wins, other worldly legend status. If he loses, takes hos seat amongst the ATGs, and ride off into the sunset having passed the baton to his successor.

[Mr.Fantastic]

NO, Manny doesn't have the better resume. That's why objective people always put Floyd ahead of Manny. That doesn't mean Manny's resume is bad.

you and others like to look at Floyd through one lens and Manny through another instead of looking at them through the same lens.

Yeah, right you are praising him. You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how warped it is. Referencing black on black crime is the same as putting the Sheriff in your avi.

How could he have beaten Manny "when it mattered" when Manny kept refusing to fight? Floyd didn't turn down drug testing, have his promoter's son in law put unneeded stitches in his head or turn down $40 mil, no ppv-what would've been the biggest payday in his career by over 40%.

We don't see it often because HBO structures their deals where only 1 of the 3 or 4 fights is an actual real one. The rest are bogus. Now PBC/Haymon has begun to do same with their top guys.

If you are truly tired of it (and lets be honest, you only care when its Haymon associated fighters) then stop supporting BS fights. Don't support GGG or Canelo if they don't fight each other, same you do when Haymon guys don't fight each other.

Support smaller cards on weekday nights on Foxsport1, bounce, and other networks beside HBO. Showing support may lead to them giving us the fights we as fans were used to seeing.

I'm tired of going back and forth with the resume. I know you're biased because Floyd is your favorite, Pac however, isn't even in my top 10 all time favorites.


You're right with the bullshit fights. I'm a GGG fan but I won't be supporting his fight with Brooks. Especially after talking shit about Canelo and he goes on and does the same. I do watch weekday cards when I can. Sometimes these guys coming up or with a record that isn't flashy, go at it in real fights.

[The Big Dunn]

I'm tired of going back and forth with the resume. I know you're biased because Floyd is your favorite, Pac however, isn't even in my top 10 all time favorites.


You're right with the bullshit fights. I'm a GGG fan but I won't be supporting his fight with Brooks. Especially after talking shit about Canelo and he goes on and does the same. I do watch weekday cards when I can. Sometimes these guys coming up or with a record that isn't flashy, go at it in real fights.

Ring just did another list where Floyd finished ahead of Manny in a list compiled by objective voters.

Yes, I am a huge Floyd fan. However, my saying his resume is superior is not based on my liking him as hard as that may be for you to believe. If you use same criteria, floyd will always come out ahead IMO.

I didn't watch the Ward/Brand fight this weekend precisely because it's BS. I haven't watched Stevenson either.