I remember when...

[Boxfan83]

Boxers were jumping at a chance to fight Mayweather and Pacquiao. Of course the payday was the main reason but legacy was a big factor too. Now its about being heavily compensated to risk a loss. What happened?

[Eff Pandas]

The problem is there is no Floyd or Manny level gains to be gotten from beating the GGG's or Thurman's or whoevers. Its the risk of fighting a elite level guy without the overall reward that one would have gotten for beating a Floyd or Manny. Or hell even if you lost to Floyd or Manny back in the day you got a bit of a rub off of that. F#cking Victor Ortiz turned getting KTFO to Floyd into some sort of low level acting & celebrity career.

[Boxfan83]

The problem is there is no Floyd or Manny level gains to be gotten from beating the GGG's or Thurman's or whoevers. Its the risk of fighting a elite level guy without the overall reward that one would have gotten for beating a Floyd or Manny. Or hell even if you lost to Floyd or Manny back in the day you got a bit of a rub off of that. F#cking Victor Ortiz turned getting KTFO to Floyd into some sort of low level acting & celebrity career.

IDK man, I think if Canelo or Jacobs beat GGG thered be a helluva payout. Canelos stock would rise like no other in Mexico, hes already seen as a superstar over there, Canelo beating GGG would put him on course to beat out JCC as El Gran Campeon... Jacobs I think would get mad notoriety for beating GGG in the U.S. I think a lot of these Euros are seeing that and leaving the Western world in question. I wasnt a fan of Euro boxing for a long time but these guys are showing some grit.

[soul_survivor]

The risk/reward advantage Pac and May embodied was on a different level. Having said that, we barely even get fighters willing to fight other fighters within their own range. A lot of that has to do with the majority of America's top fighters being signed to the multimillion dollar Haymon contracts. They are millionaires after a few bum fights.

It took years to make Thurman v Porter and although Haymon controls 90% of the division, don't expect the division to be unified for years to come.

Say what you want about TV networks but their aim to provide fights good enough to draw in an audience and that led to HBO aiming to clear up the heavyweight division, which they accomplished 3 or 4 times from the rise of Tyson to the retirement of Lewis. In the 90s they also put their top welters against each other and then did the same with the string of fights between Cotto, Marg and Mosley over a period of less than 18 months.

[soul_survivor]

The risk/reward advantage Pac and May embodied was on a different level. Having said that, we barely even get fighters willing to fight other fighters within their own range. A lot of that has to do with the majority of America's top fighters being signed to the multimillion dollar Haymon contracts. They are millionaires after a few bum fights.

It took years to make Thurman v Porter and although Haymon controls 90% of the division, don't expect the division to be unified for years to come.

Say what you want about TV networks but their aim to provide fights good enough to draw in an audience and that led to HBO aiming to clear up the heavyweight division, which they accomplished 3 or 4 times from the rise of Tyson to the retirement of Lewis. In the 90s they also put their top welters against each other and then did the same with the string of fights between Cotto, Marg and Mosley over a period of less than 18 months.

[Boxfan83]

The risk/reward advantage Pac and May embodied was on a different level. Having said that, we barely even get fighters willing to fight other fighters within their own range. A lot of that has to do with the majority of America's top fighters being signed to the multimillion dollar Haymon contracts. They are millionaires after a few bum fights.

It took years to make Thurman v Porter and although Haymon controls 90% of the division, don't expect the division to be unified for years to come.

Say what you want about TV networks but their aim to provide fights good enough to draw in an audience and that led to HBO aiming to clear up the heavyweight division, which they accomplished 3 or 4 times from the rise of Tyson to the retirement of Lewis. In the 90s they also put their top welters against each other and then did the same with the string of fights between Cotto, Marg and Mosley over a period of less than 18 months.

I feel you man, I really do. I give PBC a hard time but in reality I like what its doing for boxers, they deserve a good pay day, all fighters do. BUT in all reality what Al Haymon is doing is the opposite of the Ali act which makes things bad for the sport and the fans. A promoter acting as a manager screws the boxer, a manager acting as a promoter screws the sport.

[Eff Pandas]

IDK man, I think if Canelo or Jacobs beat GGG thered be a helluva payout.

**** brother Canelo is a bigger deal than GGG even doe he's running away from GGG. GGG is making $2M per fight last I heard & selling 100k or less PPV's or something like that. Canelo does better numbers than GGG all around.

Meanwhile Floyd & Manny were making $20M+ per fight & selling 750k+ PPV's in their best days. There is no Floyd or Manny caliber guy around right now. We are in a transitional period as far as PPV stars goes. Hence no one is taking the same risks at the top cuz no one is worth that risk like when Floyd & Manny were around.

And I mean I guess you could argue its all relative with who's the biggest names in the game are at any given time. But I suspect while there is an argument to make along those lines that being that we are still at the beginning stages of the post-Floyd & Manny era those huge paydays & burst of fame one could achieve just for signing to fight either of those guys is still fresh in everyone's minds. Hence few are willing to make the jump.

[Madison Boxing]

Because people live by their undefeated records. As soon as someone loses a fight you lot all say they are useless, exposed, overrated etc. Dont think that mentality helps

[yngwie]

It's in part, fault of us, the fans, people start calling fighters bums after ONE LOSS, damm even if a fighter has 17 losses doesn't mean he is a bad fighter, also i heard that Al Haymon actually doesn't involve much with selection of opponents, and that lets fighters with a lot of freedom to pick.

[soul_survivor]

I feel you man, I really do. I give PBC a hard time but in reality I like what its doing for boxers, they deserve a good pay day, all fighters do. BUT in all reality what Al Haymon is doing is the opposite of the Ali act which makes things bad for the sport and the fans. A promoter acting as a manager screws the boxer, a manager acting as a promoter screws the sport.

Spot on there.