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  • TheBoxingXpert
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    The P4P Top Fighters

    These are the 8 fighters who, in my eyes, clearly deserve to be in the P4P top 10. The last 2 fighters on the list are hard to choose between, but these 8, I think any boxing fan in here will agree with me that belongs on the list. Do you?

    Crawford, Golovkin, Gonzalez, Ward, Kovalev, Pacquiao, Fury, Klitschko

    Terence Crawford: Undefeated and with impressive wins against the likes of Gamboa and Postol, Crawford is the completely package. He's a mentally strong boxer, never scared, who possesses insane speed and skills, coupled with a respectable punching power. He's also a big guy for his weight class. It wouldn't make sense to not include Crawford in the P4P top 10.

    Gennady Golovkin: Yeah, he doesn't have an impressive resume, but his undefeated record, his insane KO percentage, his big collection of belts and the fact that guys like Canelo, Saunders and Jacobs refuses to fight him says enough. Golovkin deserves to be in the P4P top 10.

    Roman Gonzalez: He's clearly the best boxer in the lower weights, with an impressive record of 45(38)-0 and impressive wins against Estrada and soon Cuadras too. There's not a lot of good opponents for him there to fight, but he's doing very well and he's still young. He belongs to any P4P top 10 list.

    Andre Ward: This guy is the best boxer in boxing today, with impressive wins against anything from Froch to Kessler to Abraham to Bika to Dawson. Ward fights anybody and his speed and skills are out of this world. Now, he's moved up in weight and will soon dethrone Kovalev and become the champion of both 168lbs AND 175lbs. No P4P list makes sense without Ward.

    Sergey Kovalev: This guy is a monster. His punching power is insane, which costed a man his life, and he got some fairly impressive wins. He will soon lose to Ward, but there is no shame in that. Kovalev deserves to be on the P4P top 10.

    Manny Pacquiao: He's still active, still dangerous and while he did lose to Mayweather (who wouldn't?), then it wouldn't be fair to take Pacquiao out of the P4P top 10 just yet. Let's see what happens when he fights Crawford.

    Tyson Fury: Guy is massive, fast and got an insane defense. He looked untouchable in his last 3 fights against Hammer, Chisora and Wladimir. He's undefeated and he dethroned Wladimir, so it would be unfair to not include him on a P4P top 10 list right now.

    Wladimir Klitschko: Yeah, he lost to Fury and he doesn't have much left, but it would be unfair to take him out of the list before his second fight against Fury is over. Fury will beat him and then Wlad will never see a top 10 P4P again, but until their rematch is over, Wlad still belongs to the list. One defeat doesn't remove years of recent accomplishments.
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    #2
    Originally posted by TheBoxingXpert
    These are the 8 fighters who, in my eyes, clearly deserve to be in the P4P top 10. The last 2 fighters on the list are hard to choose between, but these 8, I think any boxing fan in here will agree with me that belongs on the list. Do you?

    Crawford, Golovkin, Gonzalez, Ward, Kovalev, Pacquiao, Fury, Klitschko

    Terence Crawford: Undefeated and with impressive wins against the likes of Gamboa and Postol, Crawford is the completely package. He's a mentally strong boxer, never scared, who possesses insane speed and skills, coupled with a respectable punching power. He's also a big guy for his weight class. It wouldn't make sense to not include Crawford in the P4P top 10.

    Gennady Golovkin: Yeah, he doesn't have an impressive resume, but his undefeated record, his insane KO percentage, his big collection of belts and the fact that guys like Canelo, Saunders and Jacobs refuses to fight him says enough. Golovkin deserves to be in the P4P top 10.

    Roman Gonzalez: He's clearly the best boxer in the lower weights, with an impressive record of 45(38)-0 and impressive wins against Estrada and soon Cuadras too. There's not a lot of good opponents for him there to fight, but he's doing very well and he's still young. He belongs to any P4P top 10 list.

    Andre Ward: This guy is the best boxer in boxing today, with impressive wins against anything from Froch to Kessler to Abraham to Bika to Dawson. Ward fights anybody and his speed and skills are out of this world. Now, he's moved up in weight and will soon dethrone Kovalev and become the champion of both 168lbs AND 175lbs. No P4P list makes sense without Ward.

    Sergey Kovalev: This guy is a monster. His punching power is insane, which costed a man his life, and he got some fairly impressive wins. He will soon lose to Ward, but there is no shame in that. Kovalev deserves to be on the P4P top 10.

    Manny Pacquiao: He's still active, still dangerous and while he did lose to Mayweather (who wouldn't?), then it wouldn't be fair to take Pacquiao out of the P4P top 10 just yet. Let's see what happens when he fights Crawford.

    Tyson Fury: Guy is massive, fast and got an insane defense. He looked untouchable in his last 3 fights against Hammer, Chisora and Wladimir. He's undefeated and he dethroned Wladimir, so it would be unfair to not include him on a P4P top 10 list right now.

    Wladimir Klitschko: Yeah, he lost to Fury and he doesn't have much left, but it would be unfair to take him out of the list before his second fight against Fury is over. Fury will beat him and then Wlad will never see a top 10 P4P again, but until their rematch is over, Wlad still belongs to the list. One defeat doesn't remove years of recent accomplishments.
    Wlad is coming off a loss and is like 40...he isnt one of the top ten best fighters in the world anymore...if he wlad of 2012, he may have had the gas of aggression to get fury out of their

    Fury is a good fighter but he has a thin resume and honestly caught an all time great a good time, not different than Leon Spinks outworking a near 40 year old all time great Ali

    Gennady has the skills but his resume is too thin and too many big fights are happening for him to get in the top 10 p4p. He hasnt taken many risks in his career nor has he defeating any elite talent, until he does he is on the cusp imo. He has shown more style than substance. Not entirely his fault but shouldnt be ignored. level of opposition is how we analyze their talent

    the top ten fighters in the world imo is


    Kovalev
    Ward
    Bud
    Chocolatito
    Juan Franciso Estrada
    Canelo
    Danny Garcia( a lot wont agree but this guy finds a way to win)
    Pacquaio(if still active is he retired)
    RiGondeaux
    timmeh Bradley( only lost to an all time great and I dont favor anyone at 147 over him. Thurman or brook may have best shot at beating him)

    if manny is retired, shinsuke yamanaka takes his spot

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      #3
      Originally posted by therealpugilist
      Wlad is coming off a loss and is like 40...he isnt one of the top ten best fighters in the world anymore...if he wlad of 2012, he may have had the gas of aggression to get fury out of their

      Fury is a good fighter but he has a thin resume and honestly caught an all time great a good time, not different than Leon Spinks outworking a near 40 year old all time great Ali

      Gennady has the skills but his resume is too thin and too many big fights are happening for him to get in the top 10 p4p. He hasnt taken many risks in his career nor has he defeating any elite talent, until he does he is on the cusp imo. He has shown more style than substance. Not entirely his fault but shouldnt be ignored. level of opposition is how we analyze their talent

      the top ten fighters in the world imo is


      Kovalev
      Ward
      Bud
      Chocolatito
      Juan Franciso Estrada
      Canelo
      Danny Garcia( a lot wont agree but this guy finds a way to win)
      Pacquaio(if still active is he retired)
      RiGondeaux
      timmeh Bradley( only lost to an all time great and I dont favor anyone at 147 over him. Thurman or brook may have best shot at beating him)

      if manny is retired, shinsuke yamanaka takes his spot
      Dude, why is Canelo on your list? His best wins are Khan and a shot Cotto who he struggled against. And he lost to Mayweather, Lara and Trout.

      Canelo belongs in the P4P top 20, but certainly not the top 10. Beating smaller guys and at best getting controversial decisions while fighting good opponents is not what gets you to the top 10.

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        #4
        Originally posted by TheBoxingXpert
        Dude, why is Canelo on your list? His best wins are Khan and a shot Cotto who he struggled against. And he lost to Mayweather, Lara and Trout.

        Canelo belongs in the P4P top 20, but certainly not the top 10. Beating smaller guys and at best getting controversial decisions while fighting good opponents is not what gets you to the top 10.
        canelo is on my list because of his talent and resume

        I hate GGG vs canelo didnt happen but it doesnt change the fact Canelo has skills and one of the better resumes in the sport....Canelos resume looks like a 35 year old and GGG's looks like a 25-36 year old guys'

        Lara and Trout were close fights in no way robberies
        also he defeated 7 other world champions...current/former

        Khan was a big name, i dont even think about that fight nor does it factor in why i picked him.

        The term "shot" gets thrown around like rice..Cotto is past prime, not shot and still and elite fighter. he belongs at 154 or lower. Want to see shot....Roy jones is shot, margarito is shot, mosley is shot,...Cotto is not shot bro

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          #5
          Originally posted by therealpugilist
          canelo is on my list because of his talent and resume

          I hate GGG vs canelo didnt happen but it doesnt change the fact Canelo has skills and one of the better resumes in the sport....Canelos resume looks like a 35 year old and GGG's looks like a 25-36 year old guys'

          Lara and Trout were close fights in no way robberies
          also he defeated 7 other world champions...current/former

          Khan was a big name, i dont even think about that fight nor does it factor in why i picked him.

          The term "shot" gets thrown around like rice..Cotto is past prime, not shot and still and elite fighter. he belongs at 154 or lower. Want to see shot....Roy jones is shot, margarito is shot, mosley is shot,...Cotto is not shot bro
          Cotto had done nothing since losing to Pacquiao and Mayweather. He got schooled by Trout and then beat up a cripple.

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            Joshua, Guzman and Wilder are all champs with higher KO percentages than Golovkin.

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              #7
              In no particular order

              1) Andre Ward

              I can't imagine someone beating Andre Ward at this moment, the guy dominates every episode of every fight, I can't even remember Mayweather dominating his opponents that convincingly. This is the guy who breathes boxing, the kind of fighter who decidated his whole life to the sport. I really can't see the way to beat him

              2) Roman Chocolatitio

              I don't like watching small weights, but it would be unfair to ignore Roman only because of my preferences. Amazing talent

              3) Sergey Kovalev

              He's vulnerable, but it takes a special fighter to beat him convincigly, because Kovalev can box, he's not a brawler, he got a great timing. Yes, he got some flaws in his defense, but offensively he's almost perfect. In terms of skills he can mop the floor with every light heavyweight except for Ward. While being in a bad shape, Kovalev managed to outbox Isaac Chilemba, tricky fighter who was never outboxed in a convincing manner before. That means if it wasn't for that devastating power, in terms of skills Kovalev could outbox almost every light heavyweight with the excpetion of Ward


              4) Terrence Crawford

              I don't think that Postol scalp is an impressive win - I always been thinking that Postol is overrated and unlike Ward (who's another American hope in pro boxing) Crawford seems vulnerable at times (especially in Gamboa fight). But I really like Terrence, he doesn't seem arrogant to me, I like his personality and his skills are amazing, no one can beat him at that division

              5) Vasyl Lomachenko

              He needs some time to improve his resume, but after Martinez win he's already achieved something that no other boxer achieved before him, plus in his 7 pro fights he faced the better competition than a lot of great boxers, not to mention that he got better scalps than guys like Golovkin. His style is the most beautiful thing to watch in boxing - it's aesthetically perfect

              6) Guillermo Rigondeaux

              Why people always forget about Rigondeaux? Mayweather-esque defense and skills, I guess if he was American, and if he had a style and personality that is little bit more entertaining, he would have a way better career

              7) Mikey Garcia

              Very excited to see him coming back

              8) Gennady Golovkin

              I've called Golovkin "the bum beater" a lot of times here, and I agree that his resume is pretty weak, but I really can't deny that the guy has amazing talent and there's no one at 160 who can beat him. His resume needs to get better, but there's not a lot of big scalps he can get, or maybe we think that the division is weak because Golovkin cleaned it out. I think his team is wasting his talents and avoiding risks. Abel Sanchez and Loeffler always making Golovkin look like a fool with their comments

              These are 8 names who I can consider to be truly elite at this moment, not sure about the other guys - they might be great, but not elite for me. And there's a lot of boxers with potential to become elite fighters

              Guys like Pacquiao or Klitschko needs to retire from boxing to let new talents shine, they had great careers, thanks to them for that but now it's time for them to concentrate on some other things in life. I feel like there's no sense to include boxers who's way past their prime in my top p4p, because we all know that Pacquiao, being 38, is not going to keep divisions on lock, he might get back to take few fights, but he's not going to be the force to be reckoned with like it was before. These 8 names in my list, they are the current face of pro boxing and it's future, not Pacquiao or Klitschko. They should pass the torch to new talents
              Last edited by g27region; 07-25-2016, 09:20 AM.

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              • MisterPullman
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                lol @ ward will dethrone Kovalev

                Not so fast, you'll make a fool out of yourself if the outcome is different

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                • FashionTV
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                  chavez sr made a good list and I agree with him. Gennady is number one.



                  but I think that kova should be ranked ahead of ward
                  and crawford should be ranked ahead of kova

                  like that:

                  1. Golovkin
                  2. Gonzalez
                  3. Crawford
                  4. Kovalev
                  5. Ward

                  that's a perfect list - realistic and very objective. btw personally I'd kick ward for inactivity... and I have to say that I hate andre ward... I HATE him... but I'm trying to be objective... so, andre, I, as a hardcore boxing fan, give you mercy

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                  • wladavit
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by TheBoxingXpert
                    These are the 8 fighters who, in my eyes, clearly deserve to be in the P4P top 10. The last 2 fighters on the list are hard to choose between, but these 8, I think any boxing fan in here will agree with me that belongs on the list. Do you?

                    Crawford, Golovkin, Gonzalez, Ward, Kovalev, Pacquiao, Fury, Klitschko

                    Terence Crawford: Undefeated and with impressive wins against the likes of Gamboa and Postol, Crawford is the completely package. He's a mentally strong boxer, never scared, who possesses insane speed and skills, coupled with a respectable punching power. He's also a big guy for his weight class. It wouldn't make sense to not include Crawford in the P4P top 10.

                    Gennady Golovkin: Yeah, he doesn't have an impressive resume, but his undefeated record, his insane KO percentage, his big collection of belts and the fact that guys like Canelo, Saunders and Jacobs refuses to fight him says enough. Golovkin deserves to be in the P4P top 10.

                    Roman Gonzalez: He's clearly the best boxer in the lower weights, with an impressive record of 45(38)-0 and impressive wins against Estrada and soon Cuadras too. There's not a lot of good opponents for him there to fight, but he's doing very well and he's still young. He belongs to any P4P top 10 list.

                    Andre Ward: This guy is the best boxer in boxing today, with impressive wins against anything from Froch to Kessler to Abraham to Bika to Dawson. Ward fights anybody and his speed and skills are out of this world. Now, he's moved up in weight and will soon dethrone Kovalev and become the champion of both 168lbs AND 175lbs. No P4P list makes sense without Ward.

                    Sergey Kovalev: This guy is a monster. His punching power is insane, which costed a man his life, and he got some fairly impressive wins. He will soon lose to Ward, but there is no shame in that. Kovalev deserves to be on the P4P top 10.

                    Manny Pacquiao: He's still active, still dangerous and while he did lose to Mayweather (who wouldn't?), then it wouldn't be fair to take Pacquiao out of the P4P top 10 just yet. Let's see what happens when he fights Crawford.

                    Tyson Fury: Guy is massive, fast and got an insane defense. He looked untouchable in his last 3 fights against Hammer, Chisora and Wladimir. He's undefeated and he dethroned Wladimir, so it would be unfair to not include him on a P4P top 10 list right now.

                    Wladimir Klitschko: Yeah, he lost to Fury and he doesn't have much left, but it would be unfair to take him out of the list before his second fight against Fury is over. Fury will beat him and then Wlad will never see a top 10 P4P again, but until their rematch is over, Wlad still belongs to the list. One defeat doesn't remove years of recent accomplishments.
                    Pretty good ratings.

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