should the fat ***** retire?

[glenspen]

why do you hate him?

Because he's wasting his god given talent. I used to really enjoy watching him fight, he had it all, handspeed, reaction time, accuracy, defence...At 190lbs when he faced Holyfield he looked like a fresh of breath air in the HWD. I can't stand how he now insults boxing turning up for fights at 240lbs...I just want him finished off now.

[Rockin']

one of the elite? thats pushing it. He is definetly still a solid fighter. his reflexes have slowed noticably and injuries have had their way with him. But all in all, i love toney and wish he could fight forever. Just like his style and stuff.

Not in the elite? Name 5 fighters that match him in defensive skill.

Rockin'

[Da Iceman]

rockin i thought you hated james for what he did to jackie?

[6OVER6LORD6]

Not in the elite? Name 5 fighters that match him in defensive skill.

Rockin'

No one pays to see you defend punches, you're supposed to throw them in return

[dansweeney]

Not in the elite? Name 5 fighters that match him in defensive skill.

Rockin'

there aren't 5 fighters that can match him defensively, even when he's overweight. Teddy Atlas hammered him about his weight on fnf not too long ago. i hope he listens

[K-DOGG]

Toney should retire; but I will not vote on any thread that refers to a 3 (should be 4) division World Champion as a "*****".

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

Calling James fat is one thing, calling him a ***** is another. Oh well, not standing infront of him I guess you guys can say what you want to.

James is still ok. He does need to get his conditioning up but he is as skilled a fighter as is out there. Granted he's slowed abit with age and injury but he is still one of the elite.

Rockin'

I second that sir.

[Kball15]

Not in the elite? Name 5 fighters that match him in defensive skill.

Rockin'

I guess. but thats mostly because every heavyweight sucks compared to what Toney used to face. He learned a lot from his experience with those guys and the dramatic drop in talent allows him to stay up there. He is good defensively though...

[Nautilus]

I second that sir.

I second that too. Toney has tremendous guts. You can't name call Toney.

[Rockin']

rockin i thought you hated james for what he did to jackie?

I lost alot of respect for him but objectively I would be a fool to say that James is **** and a fat *****. The guy has old school skills and is still able to display them against younger competition, and win. James was alot of fun back in the day, but I only lost respect as a person for him not as a fighter.

Rockin'