Comments Thread For: Oleksandr Gvozdyk vs. Joe Smith Jr. WBC Eliminator in Play

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Hopefully in the future Eastern Europeans and Asian fighters start turning pro younger, so they can actually gain pro experience the proper way. Rushing is no good.

I think that boxers from ex-Soviet countries needs to learn something from American school, to get better at pro boxing. Now they rely on Soviet school of boxing but after some time, they will learn some aspects of American school as well

Ukranian boxers seems to have the best pro boxing school you can get from ex-Soviet countries, because Anatoliy Lomachenko (who's a father of Vasyl) developed his own style and he was training a lot of these boxers for Olympics (like Usyk) at some point. Nobody mentions him among the greatest trainers in the game today, but he's doing phenomenal job

But boxers from ex-Soviet bloc will always prioritize amateur career over pro boxing, because a lot of good prospects rarely get offers from american promouters anyway. Both Provodnikov and Kovalev were telling in their interviews that American promouters trying to keep amount of ex-Soviet bloc fighters in pro boxers limited. Provodnikov said something like "it's not a secret, they don't like russian fighters over there" and Kovalev said that some organization refused to sign a contract with him (at the beggining of his pro career) because they already had some russian fighter in their stable

Magomed Kurbanov is one of those boxers who's an example of what you were talking about. He went pro at the early age and he has enormous potential right now. He's amazing for a pro boxer who's only 20. His fight on Chilemba/Kovalev undercard was way more entertaing that the main fight, the young boy who's only 20 stomped the **** out of 27 y.o fighter and mopped the floor with him and KO'd him in 3rd round, almost decapitated him with these shots. Loving vicious fights like this

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I think that boxers from ex-Soviet countries needs to learn something from American school, to get better at pro boxing. Now they rely on Soviet school of boxing but after some time, they will learn some aspects of American school as well

Ukranian boxers seems to have the best pro boxing school you can get from ex-Soviet countries, because Anatoliy Lomachenko (who's a father of Vasyl) developed his own style and he was training a lot of these boxers for Olympics (like Usyk) at some point. Nobody mentions him among the greatest trainers in the game today, but he's doing phenomenal job

But boxers from ex-Soviet bloc will always prioritize amateur career over pro boxing, because a lot of good prospects rarely get offers from american promouters anyway. Both Provodnikov and Kovalev were telling in their interviews that American promouters trying to keep amount of ex-Soviet bloc fighters in pro boxers limited. Provodnikov said something like "it's not a secret, they don't like russian fighters over there" and Kovalev said that some organization refused to sign a contract with him (at the beggining of his pro career) because they already had some russian fighter in their stable

Magomed Kurbanov is one of those boxers who's an example of what you were talking about. He went pro at the early age and he has enormous potential right now. He's amazing for a pro boxer who's only 20. His fight on Chilemba/Kovalev undercard was way more entertaing that the main fight, the young boy who's only 20 stomped the **** out of 27 y.o fighter and mopped the floor with him and KO'd him in 3rd round, almost decapitated him with these shots. Loving vicious fights like this

jesus christ, what are these cat's eating? this dude / beterbiev look like real life wolverines

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jesus christ, what are these cat's eating? this dude / beterbiev look like real life wolverines

He's another representative of ethnicities from Caucasus mountains, like Beterbiev, they all have the same look and huge ass ****** beards

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I think that boxers from ex-Soviet countries needs to learn something from American school, to get better at pro boxing. Now they rely on Soviet school of boxing but after some time, they will learn some aspects of American school as well

Ukranian boxers seems to have the best pro boxing school you can get from ex-Soviet countries, because Anatoliy Lomachenko (who's a father of Vasyl) developed his own style and he was training a lot of these boxers for Olympics (like Usyk) at some point. Nobody mentions him among the greatest trainers in the game today, but he's doing phenomenal job

But boxers from ex-Soviet bloc will always prioritize amateur career over pro boxing, because a lot of good prospects rarely get offers from american promouters anyway. Both Provodnikov and Kovalev were telling in their interviews that American promouters trying to keep amount of ex-Soviet bloc fighters in pro boxers limited. Provodnikov said something like "it's not a secret, they don't like russian fighters over there" and Kovalev said that some organization refused to sign a contract with him (at the beggining of his pro career) because they already had some russian fighter in their stable

Magomed Kurbanov is one of those boxers who's an example of what you were talking about. He went pro at the early age and he has enormous potential right now. He's amazing for a pro boxer who's only 20. His fight on Chilemba/Kovalev undercard was way more entertaing that the main fight, the young boy who's only 20 stomped the **** out of 27 y.o fighter and mopped the floor with him and KO'd him in 3rd round, almost decapitated him with these shots. Loving vicious fights like this

I was actually discussing the low amount of opportunities for fighters from Eastern Europe and Central Asia in another thread.
Here you go if you would like to read: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...=717915&page=2

Some people are just so ignorant and think there are hundreds of pro opportunities for fighters from Eastern Europe and Central Asians like there is for American fighters.

Yeah, Pro boxing is still new to that part of the World. Slowly and slowly those fighters will start to understand it as more opportunities arise and pro boxing becomes more common.

I would like to see more turning pro early, but I would also like to see them have an Olympic or World Championship background at least. Lomachenko was 20 years old at the 2008 Olympics. It would have been cool to see him go pro after those Olympics. I understand that there are several reasons why he didn't go pro.
I think Russia is going to have a really good young team for 2020. And if the young talents get the opportunities those fighters will be like 21-19 years old during the 2020 Olympics. One of the things that worries me about the Russian system is that they have favorites, so the most talented fighters don't always get the opportunities.
Ukraine is struggling right now, but hopefully if Lomachenko and Usyk continue to have success it will help.
So yeah, preferably I want Eastern Europeans and Central Asians to start turning pro earlier, but hopefully with Olympic and World Championship backgrounds.

I'm a huge fan of Anatoliy Lomachenko, my favorite coach actually. Hopefully he starts producing more talent.
I understand that he's only focused on his son for now, but hopefully in the future. The guy has too much knowledge to let it go to waste.
I've never been addicted to watching a fighter/style like I am with Lomachenko. I watch Lomachenko fights everyday. It's my addiction.
I need to see more Lomachenkos in the future lol. I know it's going to be difficult, but who knows. I don't like when fighters try to fight like other fighters, but in this case I'll let it pass.
Only Anatoliy can do it right.

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I didn't see the fight against Karpency (most of you didn't either), but I rate Gvozdyk quite highly from watching a few of his past fights. Mostly everyone gets dropped at some point. I think he knocks out Smith jr.

[g27region]

I was actually discussing the low amount of opportunities for fighters from Eastern Europe and Central Asia in another thread.
Here you go if you would like to read: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...=717915&page=2

Some people are just so ignorant and think there are hundreds of pro opportunities for fighters from Eastern Europe and Central Asians like there is for American fighters.

Yeah, Pro boxing is still new to that part of the World. Slowly and slowly those fighters will start to understand it as more opportunities arise and pro boxing becomes more common.

I would like to see more turning pro early, but I would also like to see them have an Olympic or World Championship background at least. Lomachenko was 20 years old at the 2008 Olympics. It would have been cool to see him go pro after those Olympics. I understand that there are several reasons why he didn't go pro.
I think Russia is going to have a really good young team for 2020. And if the young talents get the opportunities those fighters will be like 21-19 years old during the 2020 Olympics. One of the things that worries me about the Russian system is that they have favorites, so the most talented fighters don't always get the opportunities.
Ukraine is struggling right now, but hopefully if Lomachenko and Usyk continue to have success it will help.
So yeah, preferably I want Eastern Europeans and Central Asians to start turning pro earlier, but hopefully with Olympic and World Championship backgrounds.

I'm a huge fan of Anatoliy Lomachenko, my favorite coach actually. Hopefully he starts producing more talent.
I understand that he's only focused on his son for now, but hopefully in the future. The guy has too much knowledge to let it go to waste.
I've never been addicted to watching a fighter/style like I am with Lomachenko. I watch Lomachenko fights everyday. It's my addiction.
I need to see more Lomachenkos in the future lol. I know it's going to be difficult, but who knows. I don't like when fighters try to fight like other fighters, but in this case I'll let it pass.
Only Anatoliy can do it right.

I agree with everything you said in that message. You have a good understanding of realities over here, I've noticed that because you said that these amateur boxers from ex-USSR getting the help from the government or business, most of western boxing fans aren't aware of the fact that the financial support from some people in business is one of these few things that help some small amount of good ex-USSR boxers to turn pro and if it wasn't for that, we wouldn't even see them. The same thing about favorites in amateur boxing, and the best talents aren't getting the opportunities because of them. Are you Russian/Ukranian?

[r1onnie2]

Eliminator for what?
Alvarez is the mando.... i mean, he could've fought Stevenson already but Yvon only looking out for one person's interests

That's what I'm trying to figure out! It's all about those sanctioning fees