Kell Brook is brave but Saunders & Jacobs are afraid?

[Box-Office]

Why should have Saunders fought GGG in his first defense?


Winning a World title is a life's work, he should be given the right to make an easy first or second defense before going up against such a monumental challenge in GGG.

[cork]

That's image of GGG doesn't fit the PR that his team has developed for him. It wouldn't make sense for the man that is the most feared man in boxin to ask for more $$. The image portrayed is GGG just fights for legacy and Money is of little concern. Which is BS. GGG teams are about business like every other fighters team. If it was about chasing greatness Theyd put him in with Ward long ago. Lara would be in the discussion. They wouldn't have accepted step aside fees , they would have forced the fight immediately big fights build legacy not step aside fees.

GGG apoears to be head and shoulders above every figher at 160. Why would he say he won't fight unless he gets xxxx amount. He's going to be heavily favoured, he'll take his 1-2 mil, lay a beat down and keep it moving with his momentum still rolling. But the 160s he's fighting would seem to be in the toughest challenge of their career why risk whatever leverage they have( Saunders last remaining belt & 0 , Jacobs his Jr. strap and 0 ) for short $. this is probably one of their few opportunities for a decent payday and if they lose as expected they have a chance to have their career turn into Willie Monroe Jr. Who got what 50k after it was said and done , a a$$ kicking and put on the shelf for year and having to start from the bottom all over again.

This fallacy of David going against Goliath and pulling off the upset is a great bedtime story but in the real world it rarely ever happens. It's usually turns out more like Tyson vs Mcneely not Tyson vs Douglas

You already seem like you have an agenda so I won't argue with you with the Ward or Lara point of it. Those discussions been beaten to death and beating Lara doesn't do anything for his legacy either. Don't confuse me with saying beating Brook or Wade does either but I'm not here to talk about that.

Your also pointing out the step aside fees, you can't just handcuff someone and drag them into the ring. They thought they had canelo force but he just *****ed out anyway. If they don't want to fight you what else can you do. Yes his resume sucks but it is what it is.

You shouldn't point out GGG image like that's not how everyone want their image to be. Everyone have promoters, everyone have managers and no one want the image their boxer that they're chasing money. Every boxer wants to have that warrior image because it's what sells and chasing money doesn't.

So your saying it's ok to ask for a ****** amount of money because they know they're not as good as he is? That sounds ridiculous. GGG team doesn't get to decide how much money his opponents get paid. It's the networks that determines your worth or if the other fight have some sort of fan base instead of just piggy backing on ggg it would get to ppv and they would have some sort of share of that.

Oh and jacob doesn't have a 0 or anyone care about Jacobs title, people just want to that fight because Jacob is rated the 2nd best MW. Personally I don't even want to see that fight because Jacob doesn't even have confidence in himself that he can beat ggg.

[R_Walken]

You already seem like you have an agenda so I won't argue with you with the Ward or Lara point of it. Those discussions been beaten to death and beating Lara doesn't do anything for his legacy either. Don't confuse me with saying beating Brook or Wade does either but I'm not here to talk about that.

Your also pointing out the step aside fees, you can't just handcuff someone and drag them into the ring. They thought they had canelo force but he just *****ed out anyway. If they don't want to fight you what else can you do. Yes his resume sucks but it is what it is.

You shouldn't point out GGG image like that's not how everyone want their image to be. Everyone have promoters, everyone have managers and no one want the image their boxer that they're chasing money. Every boxer wants to have that warrior image because it's what sells and chasing money doesn't.

So your saying it's ok to ask for a ****** amount of money because they know they're not as good as he is? That sounds ridiculous. GGG team doesn't get to decide how much money his opponents get paid. It's the networks that determines your worth or if the other fight have some sort of fan base instead of just piggy backing on ggg it would get to ppv and they would have some sort of share of that.

Oh and jacob doesn't have a 0 or anyone care about Jacobs title, people just want to that fight because Jacob is rated the 2nd best MW. Personally I don't even want to see that fight because Jacob doesn't even have confidence in himself that he can beat ggg.

I'm a GGG fan but am critical of K2 , his resume is hat it is we all know that
The reason I brought up Ward is because he's would appear to be aGGg biggest challenge a fight that he could lose his 0 and lose stoc. K2 did everything in their power not to make that fight but it was the 1 fight that would have cemented his legacy without question and before the Brook fight probably his biggest payday

That's not how every fighters image is. I'm pretty sure Mayweather let it be known he was about $ and cashing cheques. You live in a dream land and not reality if you feel they all want to be known as warriors. 99% of boxers are warriors they get punched in the face for a living, these guys at the top of the divisions are all current or former world champions, former Olympians, National team members . They're not scared they do the as.s kicking in life they rarely lose or get their as.s kicked but they are also all chasing money. It may hurt to hear that but it's the truth


Yes I do expect fighters to ask for the world when their In Their toughest fight of their life. Saunders was ducking when he wanted 3, Brook for 4 the $ out there and if K2 wants to cheap or incompetent or whatever and just pay based off what HBo decide to give them then that's on them but clearly they found a way to get Brook a good purse I'm sure they could have found a way to get Saunders near what he was asking especially since he had what your team claimed to want more then anything the last remaining strap.

Your right Jacobs doesn't have a 0 but he still has a bit of leverage. A jr strap and potentially the 2nd best MW. But if he fought GGG woukd you put your $ on Jacobs pulling off the upset. Right now I wouldn't. I wouldn't doubt Saunders or Jacobs confidence but I don't think they're ****** either they know the risks that are associated with getting in the ring with GGG

[HeroBando]

I'm a GGG fan but am critical of K2 , his resume is hat it is we all know that
The reason I brought up Ward is because he's would appear to be aGGg biggest challenge a fight that he could lose his 0 and lose stoc. K2 did everything in their power not to make that fight but it was the 1 fight that would have cemented his legacy without question and before the Brook fight probably his biggest payday

That's not how every fighters image is. I'm pretty sure Mayweather let it be known he was about $ and cashing cheques. You live in a dream land and not reality if you feel they all want to be known as warriors. 99% of boxers are warriors they get punched in the face for a living, these guys at the top of the divisions are all current or former world champions, former Olympians, National team members . They're not scared they do the as.s kicking in life they rarely lose or get their as.s kicked but they are also all chasing money. It may hurt to hear that but it's the truth


Yes I do expect fighters to ask for the world when their In Their toughest fight of their life. Saunders was ducking when he wanted 3, Brook for 4 the $ out there and if K2 wants to cheap or incompetent or whatever and just pay based off what HBo decide to give them then that's on them but clearly they found a way to get Brook a good purse I'm sure they could have found a way to get Saunders near what he was asking especially since he had what your team claimed to want more then anything the last remaining strap.

Your right Jacobs doesn't have a 0 but he still has a bit of leverage. A jr strap and potentially the 2nd best MW. But if he fought GGG woukd you put your $ on Jacobs pulling off the upset. Right now I wouldn't. I wouldn't doubt Saunders or Jacobs confidence but I don't think they're ****** either they know the risks that are associated with getting in the ring with GGG

What are you talking about? The guy was off the radar, he just fought a fat bum on BET to 300k viewers, and offers 50/50 to Hbos #2 star to come up in weight, with a years commitment, while the other guy is mando for the biggest fight in boxing. They really didn't have to work hard to pass on that,nobody in boxing is touching that

[MindGame]

Lemieux picked off the IBF 160 belt after being the #8 challenger, N'Dam seeing challengers #2-#7 pass on the fight, and his promoter going into cahoots with Lemieux's promoter to give Lemieux every advantage possible (Quebecois as referee and 2 of the 3 judges, and most egregiously having the ring shrink by 2' just before the fight), and still barely won 6 rounds.

If you want to count beating that guy as an achievement, that's on you.

Barely won 6 Rounds, Really ???
Perhaps you missed the 4 KNOCK DOWNS Lemieux put on N'Dam ???

Unless you have a agenda, 4 KNOCK DOWNS are very hard to get past...

[Chuckguy]

I was in New York shortly after the Lemieux-Golovkin fight. My bartender said he went to the fight and tickets were going 2 for $25 the week of. He got a lower level seat for $30Loeffler likes to brag GGG sold more tickets at the Garden than Cotto but he'll never compare the gates. So when Loeffler and Co. say he's to big of a star to split 50/50 with Ward, guys are going to ask for the money stars pay out. There's a reason he's never fought in Vegas. Loeffler even tried to sell that lie that it's harder to sell tickets in New York than it is in Vegas. That measly $2 mil dollar gate at MSG will have Casinos in Vegas telling you to go fight at The D Las Vegas. If he's as big a star as his team likes to say he is he wouldn't be travelling to the UK. He wouldn't be playing the B-side to Brook (who isn't even a star in the UK). He wouldn't be fighting on a Matchroom promoted card. And he wouldn't be getting paid in Pounds instead of Dollars. They talk to much and when it comes time to put their money where their mouth is they cry broke.

My barber is a huge Ward fan and he never has to spend a dime on tickets because he said they are always giving away free tickets on fight night so go figure

[Motorcity Cobra]

Barely won 6 Rounds, Really ???
Perhaps you missed the 4 KNOCK DOWNS Lemieux put on N'Dam ???

Unless you have a agenda, 4 KNOCK DOWNS are very hard to get past...

He's talking about the rounds without KD's. That's not a far fetched statement. Go back and check the fight thread. Plenty of people thought N'dam was winning the rounds he didn't get knocked down.

[HeroBando]

He's talking about the rounds without KD's. That's not a far fetched statement. Go back and check the fight thread. Plenty of people thought N'dam was winning the rounds he didn't get knocked down.

Sound like the Quillin fight

[Motorcity Cobra]

Sound like the Quillin fight

Yup, very similar.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Why should have Saunders fought GGG in his first defense?


Winning a World title is a life's work, he should be given the right to make an easy first or second defense before going up against such a monumental challenge in GGG.

Because people think other fighters should sacrifice to make GGG great. Never seen anything like it in my life. They don't demand GGG make the sacrifices to be great.