If Victor Ortiz had haggler's chin/heart/determanation

[The Viper]

one of my fav fighters..........how far could he have gone???????

[OctoberRed]

one of my fav fighters..........how far could he have gone???????

Which is the favorite fighter? Ortiz or Hagler?

If any fight had the attributes of Hagler they would have went far. All Ortiz needed was heart and his career would have did fine.

[R_Walken]

If he had those intangibles he's a HOF

[Hougigo]

If ORtiz was Hagler, he'd be good... too bad he's Ortiz

[punchr]

Then he wouldn't be Ortiz.

But if he did have a heart he would still have plateaued somewhere underneath the elite level because his skills were lacking and he wasn't smart, i.e. putting himself in a position to get suckerpunched by Mayweather.

For Ortiz to have been truly great he would have needed a heart like Hagler and intelligence/craftiness like B-Hop.

[Robbie Barrett]

Ortiz is an actor now, he was on Ray Donovan last week.

[DannYankee]

I agree Ortiz's biggest problem is that he is Ortiz.

[Impey]

He didn't have those so close the thread lol

[The Viper]

He didn't have those so close the thread lol

LOL fair enough.......i knew haggler fans would get pissed at this thread lol

[The Viper]

Then he wouldn't be Ortiz.

But if he did have a heart he would still have plateaued somewhere underneath the elite level because his skills were lacking and he wasn't smart, i.e. putting himself in a position to get suckerpunched by Mayweather.

For Ortiz to have been truly great he would have needed a heart like Hagler and intelligence/craftiness like B-Hop.

agreed....i think he would of made it to the hall.........but not an atg