Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Coach: Canelo Fight Needs No Warming Up, It's Boiling!

[Boxing Logic]

Are you daft that's why I said you wrote it in comment section instead of a article to keep that good relationship and interviews with loeffler instead of having the courage to call him on his a$$ kissing of ginger ****e by not getting him these fights that present a challenge

Lmao wait you really think I'm Steve Kim, and that I, as Steve Kim, am writing positive articles about Loeffler on my website, but then coming here to trash him anonymously?

Dude. Haven't I been saying it's all about the money? Well Steve Kim is getting rich off GGG just like Loeffler is. They have that GGG 24/7 show that kind of sucks. He's Loeffler's favorite journalist from the looks of it. Why would he trash Loeffler at all, publicly or anonymously?

Anyway I'm not Steve Kim. I listen to his podcast sometimes because he's better than most, more logical, not racially biased like so many others, but he's definitely going to keep apologizing for Loeffler, so that irritates me.

[aboutfkntime]

Great, just what I needed, some guy completely ignoring logic, drinking haterade, and name-calling.

Nice counterargument bro.

Exactly what is illogical about the fact that Golovkin's 2 best wins are Murray and Pepe?

It is TOTALLY ignoring logic to attempt to inflate Golovkin's poor resume by saying that he..... "has consistently fought top 10 opposition"..... when he really only beat Murray and Pepe.


e.g.


When boxing historians discuss Golovkin's historical significance to evaluate whether he should be mentioned alongside REAL greats..... do you think that they will judge Gennady on this off-handed, vague, fluffery..... "has consistently fought top 10 opposition"..... or will they dig further and discover that he only beat Murray and Pepe?


You guys who state that Ward is nobody, because his wins are old..... and yet Gennady is great, because he "consistently fought top 10 opposition"..... need to have a rethink, most likely about life.

[Boxing Logic]

You want to see GGG in multiple legacy fights? Against who? Who are all these legacy fighters around MW that he is missing the boat on. There are 2 as far as I can see - Ward has moved on and Canelo is a coward. All the rest of the fighters are still in the process of making their legacy - as is Golovkin in reality because boxing is in such a parlous state that the hype gets way ahead of the reality.

They should have fought Ward when he was at 168. Ward and HBO deserve equal blame for that but I'm just saying. Most of all, while I blame Canelo for this, Loeffler should not be apologizing for them! He should be out there calling Canelo a fake Mexican and saying they blatantly ducked us. Pressuring them, not apologizing for them. But Loeffler cares more about becoming a big boxing promoter in the states. If he goes along with Oscar on this, they will have a working relationship for the next 20 years, making lots of money, so what's another year of GGG's career wasted next to that?

That's my point. And they should have worked to become WBC mandatory years ago, when Martinez was still champion, before he even fought Chavez. Where were they this whole time? I know everyone has ducked him but there are ways to force fights or force fighters to vacate that don't take 6 years. He's been the best at middleweight for like 6-7 years at least, been at 160 the whole time, and he still doesn't have all the belts. WTF is that? He could have gotten all the belts three years ago and been at 168 by now. There aren't true legacy fights there but at least it's a higher weight with more competitive fights. I'd rather have seen him fight Froch 3 years ago before Froch retired, and Degale, whoever else, than all these guys at middleweight.

I'm with you man. Everyone ducks GGG. No argument. But for Loeffler to show no urgency, and to actually apologize for Canelo, is a joke. He let the duckers win. He let them run out the clock. He could have done more, but he tried to play it nice, and keep friends with everyone. Remember when they were chasing Cotto? It was the same ****. "We have so much respect for Cotto. We're great friends with his promoter. We have a great relationship. Maybe something can happen. We have so much respect."

I remember when Ali challenged Frazier to a fight in the park in order to get that rematch. Frazier was a champion he would have given the rematch anyway, but just saying. There are ways to force fighters who don't want to fight you to do it, there are ways to goad them into it, but telling everyone how much respect you have for the people ducking you, and how great all the duckers are, is not the way to make anything happen, period. Period.

[Boxing Logic]

thanks for clearing that up, we initially thought you were just another dopey golovtard alt....

well, what do ya know..... we were right

saved me reading the rest of that rubbish

genius.....

1) how the hell did the guy who said this.....

Golovkin Would Fight Ward at 168 and Canelo at 154.....

http://thaboxingvoice.com/golovkin-aims-high-and-low-would-fight-ward-at-168-and-canelo-at-154/15398?var=no

..... miss out on Ward/Canelo/Cotto AND Mayweather ?

Someone is utterly FULL-OF-****, and I think I know who LMAO

2) how the hell could you possibly blame Canelo, for Golovkin saying this..... Golovkin Would Fight Ward at 168 and Canelo at 154.....
http://thaboxingvoice.com/golovkin-a...4/15398?var=no

Why would GGG fight Canelo at 154 when Canelo fights at 155?

You sound like a Canelo apologist. It is his fault, he jumped in front of GGG to fight for the middleweight title with the agreement that they would negotiate the GGG fight afterwards, but then he ducked and vacated the WBC belt like no Mexican before him, even though he weighs more on fight night.

Didn't Canelo himself say, after his last two fights, that he would fight GGG "right now." So how come he now wants to wait over a year? Lmao. I thought he born ready and all? "Put the gloves back on, I invited him to the ring, I fear no man, we don't **** around, I'll do it right now!"

I'm going to stick with reality and logic. Good luck defending that isht man. Your idol is clearly, irrefutably, full of isht. He even said after the fight he would fight him at 160, that was just a month ago, so why are you bringing up statements about 154 from years ago when Canelo don't even fight at 154, he fights at 155, and when Canelo himself said 160 was no problem just a few months ago? Statements from this year trump statements from 4 years ago, not hard to understand. Canelo said he would fight him at 160, but lied, and is moving down. Canelo said he would fight him right away, lied, and is moving down. Good luck defending him though! Should be really easy after everything he said turned out to be bullisht.

[firstborn]

This whole thing is a mess. GBP has taken GGG on a wild goose chase. The payday would be nice but GGG needs to give up on ever getting Canelo in the ring. GBP won't let him near GGG until they believe he's on the decline.

[Bronx2245]

Canelo is the biggest fight in boxing, not so much a legacy fight though unlike Lara Canelo is p4p and lineal Mw champ.

Canelo is the biggest "money" fight, but I think Lara would be more difficult than Canelo, because Lara is a "slick' southpaw, that won't be standing in front of GGG like Canelo would.

[aboutfkntime]

Why would GGG fight Canelo at 154 when Canelo fights at 155?

You sound like a Canelo apologist. It is his fault, he jumped in front of GGG to fight for the middleweight title with the agreement that they would negotiate the GGG fight afterwards, but then he ducked and vacated the WBC belt like no Mexican before him, even though he weighs more on fight night.

Didn't Canelo himself say, after his last two fights, that he would fight GGG "right now." So how come he now wants to wait over a year? Lmao. I thought he born ready and all? "Put the gloves back on, I invited him to the ring, I fear no man, we don't **** around, I'll do it right now!"

I'm going to stick with reality and logic. Good luck defending that isht man. Your idol is clearly, irrefutably, full of isht. He even said after the fight he would fight him at 160, that was just a month ago, so why are you bringing up statements about 154 from years ago when Canelo don't even fight at 154, he fights at 155, and when Canelo himself said 160 was no problem just a few months ago? Statements from this year trump statements from 4 years ago, not hard to understand. Canelo said he would fight him at 160, but lied, and is moving down. Canelo said he would fight him right away, lied, and is moving down. Good luck defending him though! Should be really easy after everything he said turned out to be bullisht.

What an absurd comment to make.

IF lil'G stated that he is prepared to fight Canelo at 154, then why did he duck him at 155?

Forget Golovkin ducking Ward and Canelo, think about this for a second.....

How is it possible that the guy who "Would Fight Ward at 168 and Canelo at 154....." not only killed both of those fights over the weight, but he missed out on Cotto and Mayweather as well.

WTF?

After talking all that ****, lil'G did not get any of those fights, not 1 LMAO

Methinks that you have been a little bit dumb kid

Don't believe everything you read on the internet, you been lied to.

#anyonefrom154-168doe

[DJ_Quaaludes]

Exactly what is illogical about the fact that Golovkin's 2 best wins are Murray and Pepe?

It is TOTALLY ignoring logic to attempt to inflate Golovkin's poor resume by saying that he..... "has consistently fought top 10 opposition"..... when he really only beat Murray and Pepe.


e.g.


When boxing historians discuss Golovkin's historical significance to evaluate whether he should be mentioned alongside REAL greats..... do you think that they will judge Gennady on this off-handed, vague, fluffery..... "has consistently fought top 10 opposition"..... or will they dig further and discover that he only beat Murray and Pepe?


You guys who state that Ward is nobody, because his wins are old..... and yet Gennady is great, because he "consistently fought top 10 opposition"..... need to have a rethink, most likely about life.

Ok first of all don't lump me in with those 'who state Ward is a nobody'. I'm not sure why everyone who is anti-golovkin has to turn this into a Ward v. Golovkin battle. I love me some Ward.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit Golovkin's resume in the pro's is not all that great. I'm not saying that as of right now Golovkin is an all-time great. I never said that. A huge portion of the blame is placed with those that are avoiding him. The same people that like to say Golovkin is a 'nobody who's fought bums' are the same people that defend other boxers decisions to ask for ludicrous money to fight GGG because of the 'risk' involved. If he is a nobody that hasn't done anything to earn any status, then why won't others just get in the ring with him if it means a career high paydays?

Either GGG is good or he isn't. If you're of the ilk that say he isn't, maybe you want to talk to Jacobs/Quillin/Saunders/Canelo et al and see if they feel the same way.

You bring up Murray and Lemieux as his only two real wins. I pointed out at least 5 fighters that were ranked in the top 10 when Golovkin fought them. I'm not sure how you dispute that as it's a fact. Whether or not you think those particular fighters are of any merit is a matter of opinion, whether or not they were ranked in the top 10 is not.

Also, people seem to love to rag on his competition. You seem to do this because his only 'real' fights are Murray and Lemieux. However, its not just a matter of who he is fighting, but what the outcome is. GGG is dominating every one of these guys AND STOPPING all of them.

People like to act like Deontay Wilder is hot stuff. GGG's resume is better, and he's obtained his insane stoppage streak against better opposition. I do hope if you hate on the love GGG gets, you are hating on the love Wilder gets.

I'm not trying to say 'oh GGG's opposition is awesome, look at all the top 10 he's fought!'. Literally someone on this board tried to say he should 'at least' fight someone in the top 10, then suggested N'Dam. That is disingenuous at best, blind-hate at worst. Golovkin has done the best he can getting people into the ring at HIS weight class of 160.

I'll repeat what I wrote in another thread, is there anyone at 154-168 you would feel comfortable taking an even money bet on to beat GGG? I'd like to hear what you think.

[aboutfkntime]

Ok first of all don't lump me in with those 'who state Ward is a nobody'. I'm not sure why everyone who is anti-golovkin has to turn this into a Ward v. Golovkin battle. I love me some Ward.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit Golovkin's resume in the pro's is not all that great. I'm not saying that as of right now Golovkin is an all-time great. I never said that. A huge portion of the blame is placed with those that are avoiding him. The same people that like to say Golovkin is a 'nobody who's fought bums' are the same people that defend other boxers decisions to ask for ludicrous money to fight GGG because of the 'risk' involved. If he is a nobody that hasn't done anything to earn any status, then why won't others just get in the ring with him if it means a career high paydays?

Either GGG is good or he isn't. If you're of the ilk that say he isn't, maybe you want to talk to Jacobs/Quillin/Saunders/Canelo et al and see if they feel the same way.

You bring up Murray and Lemieux as his only two real wins. I pointed out at least 5 fighters that were ranked in the top 10 when Golovkin fought them. I'm not sure how you dispute that as it's a fact. Whether or not you think those particular fighters are of any merit is a matter of opinion, whether or not they were ranked in the top 10 is not.

Also, people seem to love to rag on his competition. You seem to do this because his only 'real' fights are Murray and Lemieux. However, its not just a matter of who he is fighting, but what the outcome is. GGG is dominating every one of these guys AND STOPPING all of them.

People like to act like Deontay Wilder is hot stuff. GGG's resume is better, and he's obtained his insane stoppage streak against better opposition. I do hope if you hate on the love GGG gets, you are hating on the love Wilder gets.

I'm not trying to say 'oh GGG's opposition is awesome, look at all the top 10 he's fought!'. Literally someone tried to say he should 'at least' fight someone in the top 10, then suggested N'Dam. That is disingenuous at best, blind-hate at worst. Golovkin has done the best he can getting people into the ring at HIS weight class of 160.

nah, I never said that Golovkin is a bum

he is a very good fighter

I said that the ONLY criteria for greatness are the names on your resume

it is the ONLY thing he will be judged on, nothing else

this is an extremely poor middleweight era, and the ABC bodies have truly awful rankings..... Wade was his mando ffs.

So yea, no point in blurting out all that " top10 " stuff.

NONE of those guys would be top10 in Hopkins era, so there really is no point in mentioning them now.

Murray and Lemieux..... are the only two names that really count, and neither of them are truly world-class.

Not knocking Golovkin, just saying how it is.

He needs to start taking the fights that he is avoiding if he ever wants to be mentioned alongside the greats.

[Kigali]

Why in the hell did yall agree to it then? Yall allowed Canelo and Cotto to kick the can down the road multiple times now. People were yelling and crying for Ward to move up when he was waiting to fight GGG. It's almost time for GGG to take his old butt to 168.

Hopkins is taller than GGG and he found a way to make Oscar's catchweight.

B side fighters have realize who is in the driver's seat.

GGG should have taken Canelo's offer because it was his last chance at anything close to a super fighter.

He's acting like he's 24 instead of 34.