Top 3 active fighters from each country

[WesternChamp]

UK - Brook, Fury, DeGale

USA - Ward, Andrade, Spence

Mexico - Estrada, Mikey, Canelo

Puerto Rico - Cotto, Pedraza, Verdejo

Russia - Kovalev, Bivol, Beterbiev

Ukraine - Lomachenko, Usyk, Gvozdyk


My picks are based on skill/eye test first and resume second.

Feel free to add any countries I haven't mentioned

mikey hasnt fought since 2014. how is that "active"? plus mikey doesnt fight for mexico, atleast i dont see it that way.

[New England]

Absolutely no chance. The Crawford hype won't last much longer, believe me. Spence's resume is already on par with Crawford's

this is just ridiculous. surely people who say these things generally have no idea who the names are when an american prospect is moved into contention.

spence, prior to a win over algieri, was a prospect. he has one win over one guy in the top 20. most of his other opponents weren't even in the top 50. in fact, i'd need to check to see if there were any. so far i am seeing one guy, a colombian who fights exclusively in canada now, against journeymen, and isn't even in the top 40.

[John Locke]

crawford is on most of the p4p lists. tbrb. ring mag. espn. most have him 6-10. no ranking body thinks spence or adrade are pound for pound.


ranking crawford behind spence, a kid who just had his first fighta aginst a contender, and andrade, a largely unproven guy whose best win is a close fight with vanes [where he god dropped] is wrong.

andrade and spence are talented kids, but they're not nearly as proven as crawford, who has been a top fighter for a while now and at several weights.

How is that even remotely relevant? You should know these governing bodies/media have clear bias towards certain promoters, networks and fighters. Crawford hasn't achieved enough in boxing to even be considered a top 500 P4P fighter and he certainly hasn't looked impressive enough on the eye either when you consider he's lost plenty of rounds against Gamboa, Hank Lundy and Dulorme.

Spence's best win is arguably as good as Crawford's. Gamboa is obviously a much better P4P fighter than Algieri, but when you consider the size difference between him and Crawford, it takes a lot away from the win. Gamboa embarrassed Crawford despite being at least 2-3 weight classes smaller. And Andrade is a lot more proven than Crawford, that's not even up for debate...

Crawford has never been a 'top fighter at several weights', he has beaten Ricky Burns and Thomas Dulorme for his titles.

[Boxfan83]

Absolutely no chance. The Crawford hype won't last much longer, believe me. Spence's resume is already on par with Crawford's

I know TC doesnt have an extraordinary resume but after TC dismantles Postol, everyone will be singing a new tune. You know I shouldnt even hate on Spence he seems like a cool young guy BUT its annoying how people think so highly of him after beating Algeri, if you think about it Algeris best win was against Ruslan who was just beaten by John Freaken Moilna and had no significant wins at 147. When Spence fights someone of note, I will be intrigued but until then he is a fringe contender/prospect at best. At least TC is a 2 weight champ.

[John Locke]

this is just ridiculous. surely people who say these things generally have no idea who the names are when an american prospect is moved into contention.

spence, prior to a win over algieri, was a prospect. he has one win over one guy in the top 20. most of his other opponents weren't even in the top 50. in fact, i'd need to check to see if there were any. so far i am seeing one guy, a colombian who fights exclusively in canada now, against journeymen, and isn't even in the top 40.

You obviously haven't done your research properly. Lartei is a very tough, durable C level guy who is no worse than Ray Beltran, Dulorme, Dierry Jean and all these other street sweepers Crawford has beaten. I don't understand your double standards.

Spence's resume is weak because he has only just moved from being a prospect into a contender, yet his resume is still on par with Crawford's.

[John Locke]

I know TC doesnt have an extraordinary resume but after TC dismantles Postol, everyone will be singing a new tune. You know I shouldnt even hate on Spence he seems like a cool young guy BUT its annoying how people think so highly of him after beating Algeri, if you think about it Algeris best win was against Ruslan who was just beaten by John Freaken Moilna and had no significant wins at 147. When Spence fights someone of note, I will be intrigued but until then he is a fringe contender/prospect at best. At least TC is a 2 weight champ.

I don't even think too highly of Spence's win over Algieri, I predicted a dominant victory. I rate Spence very highly based on eye test, not resume.

Crawford is a two weight champ because of politics. He beat Ricky Burns and Thomas Dulorme for his titles. That's embarrassing.

[New England]

How is that even remotely relevant? You should know these governing bodies/media have clear bias towards certain promoters, networks and fighters. Crawford hasn't achieved enough in boxing to even be considered a top 500 P4P fighter and he certainly hasn't looked impressive enough on the eye either when you consider he's lost plenty of rounds against Gamboa, Hank Lundy and Dulorme.

Spence's best win is arguably as good as Crawford's. Gamboa is obviously a much better P4P fighter than Algieri, but when you consider the size difference between him and Crawford, it takes a lot away from the win. Gamboa embarrassed Crawford despite being at least 2-3 weight classes smaller. And Andrade is a lot more proven than Crawford, that's not even up for debate...

Crawford has never been a 'top fighter at several weights', he has beaten Ricky Burns and Thomas Dulorme for his titles.

spence has one win. who else does he have? or is chris algieri coming off of a tune up against a nobody, and two losses prior to that, just that f#cking good?!??

before that he was a prospect, and you're clearly not capable of udnerstanding what that means, how prospects are matched, and why you can't rank a kid highly for blasting out guys who aren't even in the top 100. crawford has been a top fighter for several years now.



as for the p4p lists not being relevant,

Tbrb's rankings form from a collection of writers. same with ring mag. same with epsn.


you're going to be fighting an uphill battle if you think it's "not remotely relevant," to talk about who the top writers in the world think are the top fighters

but do you, man. nobody is going to get bent out of shape for a person on bscene being clueless and unwilling to learn anything.


andrade and errol f#cking spence should be ranked higher than crawford on the p4p list....


errol spence! i can't take it

[New England]

I don't even think too highly of Spence's win over Algieri, I predicted a dominant victory. I rate Spence very highly based on eye test, not resume.

Crawford is a two weight champ because of politics. He beat Ricky Burns and Thomas Dulorme for his titles. That's embarrassing.

as opposed to errol spence, who beat chris algieri and phil lo greco

[removed]

I'd have Crolla over Brook.

[John Locke]

spence has one win. who else does he have? or is chris algieri coming off of a tune up against a nobody, and two losses prior to that, just that f#cking good?!??

before that he was a prospect, and you're clearly not capable of udnerstanding what that means, how prospects are matched, and why you can't rank a kid highly for blasting out guys who aren't even in the top 100. crawford has been a top fighter for several years now.



as for the p4p lists not being relevant,

Tbrb's rankings form from a collection of writers. same with ring mag. same with epsn.


you're going to be fighting an uphill battle if you think it's "not remotely relevant," to talk about who the top writers in the world think are the top fighters

but do you, man. nobody is going to get bent out of shape for a person on bscene being clueless and unwilling to learn anything.


andrade and errol f#cking spence should be ranked higher than crawford on the p4p list....


errol spence! i can't take it

as opposed to errol spence, who beat chris algieri and phil lo greco

I'm not sure you read my comments? I said Spence's resume isn't impressive because he has just moved from being a prospect to a contender, I never said he has a good resume. But you did said Crawford is a proven fighter in multiple weight classes despite fighting the same level of competition as Crawford, more or less.

Also you're not responding directly to my points. Governing bodies/media outlets have clear biases towards certain fighters and promoters, nobody who can think for themselves takes anything they have to say seriously. Just cos they write for a big outlet about boxing it doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. I have my own eyes and my own opinions and Crawford isn't even close to being a P4P fighter, based on resume or talent.