Comments Thread For: Gilberto Ramirez Ready For Golovkin, Says GGG Will Beat Canelo

[daggum]

this guys a heavy bag with eyeballs. he better be worried because the britsch are coming the britsch are coming! the britsch by stoppage in round 8.

[Redd Foxx]

Why, because he moves. I think his only advantage is size--he's a LHW who can drain down, like Canelo and Chavez can. Zurdo may go 12, look at the size difference. Ramirez VS Vlasov was fought at CW of 172, and Zurdo came in at 183. That's three pounds less than Kov when he last fought.

I bet he is every bit over 180 when fighting SMW.

Zurdo can move, but Murray moves too. Murray went split decision with Abraham, and is on that level. Zurdo beat Abraham. GGG dominated Murray. It's not always a good comparison, but it says that GGG should on paper beat Abraham and Zurdo. Murray was losing bad before he got KO'd. GGG can cut off ring, movement wasn't what made Murray last, it's that he was built like a Mack Truck.

It's why I think Lara doesn't go 12 with GGG, he's too narrow.

I didn't say anything about Golovkin's chances with Ramirez, other than I think this is a good time for GGG to invade 168 because that division is shallow on talent now (meaning GGG would fare well, despite the size disadvantage). However, I can't see how any GGG fan would want to bring up Murray. The math doesn't make sense there as Murray lost to the guy who just got worked over by Ramirez. Murray has never even had a good win. His claim to fame is losing to a crippled Martinez.

Anyhow, GGG should fight Ramirez. I'm worried Sanchez and k2 won't let him.

[aboutfkntime]

And if he'd of beat Ward he'd never get another decent fight. He'd of basically cemented that Canelo and all other MW don't fight, with no public pressure. He'd likely not reach the MW record books nor unify. And still wouldn't have been a major ppv event.

If done it eithet when GGG first wanted it or when Ward did, it would have been when Ward's popularity is shiiiiit. The guy doesn't sell out Oakland(handing out free tickets), so GGG/Ward would have been for Hardcores. GGG would have cemented himself in a corner for a payday he'd of gotten anyway. He got $2 million for Wade.

At least now, GGG keeps getting bigger and dominates the 168ers willing to fight and if Ward beats Kovalev, then they could likely have a much bigger event.

GGG V. Ward makes good money if these things happen:

....Ward beats Kov and Stevens. Maybe one more since he fights 2 a year max....

....GGG beats Canelo (it will happen eventual because Canelo is getting crapped on) Suanders, Jacobs, and unifies, beats Zurdo and Degale....

All in same time frame, that fight is then as big of an event that can be made.

That's the kinda of event you fight a guy two classes above you for. Not when that guy just came back from a four year sabbatical and feeds off a steadily supply of tune ups.

Nah, that's bull**** !

lil'G ducked Ward !

[aboutfkntime]

Why, because he moves. I think his only advantage is size--he's a LHW who can drain down, like Canelo and Chavez can. Zurdo may go 12, look at the size difference. Ramirez VS Vlasov was fought at CW of 172, and Zurdo came in at 183. That's three pounds less than Kov when he last fought.

I bet he is every bit over 180 when fighting SMW.

Zurdo can move, but Murray moves too.

Murray went split decision with Abraham, and is on that level. Zurdo beat Abraham. GGG dominated Murray. It's not always a good comparison, but it says that GGG should on paper beat Abraham and Zurdo. Murray was losing bad before he got KO'd. GGG can cut off ring, movement wasn't what made Murray last, it's that he was built like a Mack Truck.

It's why I think Lara doesn't go 12 with GGG, he's too narrow.

Seriously, god you talk a load of bollocks.

[aboutfkntime]

Look how weak and fragile Ramirez midsection is ....perfect for Triple ggg to land those booming left hand liver shots and the floating rib crunchers ...golovkin would break him down and feed on him ....but it's becoming a norm now where fighters call him out and then go running in another direction ...What's next I wonder

You will develop a clue about boxing and make a sensible post?

[MDPopescu]

Zurdo is big and good...
I remember Golovkin trying to fight Froch (who is almost as big as Ramirez and would have secured a big money fight)...

[Progrssive_Jedi]

I didn't say anything about Golovkin's chances with Ramirez, other than I think this is a good time for GGG to invade 168 because that division is shallow on talent now (meaning GGG would fare well, despite the size disadvantage). However, I can't see how any GGG fan would want to bring up Murray. The math doesn't make sense there as Murray lost to the guy who just got worked over by Ramirez. Murray has never even had a good win. His claim to fame is losing to a crippled Martinez.

Anyhow, GGG should fight Ramirez. I'm worried Sanchez and k2 won't let him.

Did you just denigrate one of Ward's resume wins?

Actually, although he didn't win, Murray should have best Sergio. And him losing to Sergio and Abraham, the longest serving champ at 168 until recently isn't anything to sneeze at.

And considering that Abraham is one of those so called Ward wins that surpass ggg's resume, I can't see why it wouldn't be significant.

Murray is a good fighter who can take punishment, but more importantly to my point, is a mover like Zurdo.

And Sanchez doesn't pick who GGG fights. More often than not, k2 picks out of the best willing. Of course if they make sense. No one should attach themselves to Ward coming out of sabbatical only to have to wait another year or so.

And k2 shouldn't overpay Lara when the same people calling for that fight would be first to dismiss it as just a 154 pounder.

[Redd Foxx]

Did you just denigrate one of Ward's resume wins?

Actually, although he didn't win, Murray should have best Sergio. And him losing to Sergio and Abraham, the longest serving champ at 168 until recently isn't anything to sneeze at.

And considering that Abraham is one of those so called Ward wins that surpass ggg's resume, I can't see why it wouldn't be significant.

Murray is a good fighter who can take punishment, but more importantly to my point, is a mover like Zurdo.

And Sanchez doesn't pick who GGG fights. More often than not, k2 picks out of the best willing. Of course if they make sense. No one should attach themselves to Ward coming out of sabbatical only to have to wait another year or so.

And k2 shouldn't overpay Lara when the same people calling for that fight would be first to dismiss it as just a 154 pounder.

No idea how Lara and Ward got dragged into the convo. You'd make a good debate if you weren't so dedicated as a fan of a particular boxer and not boxing.
The fatal flaw is in not being able to relent any points against Golovkin. That's a credibility killer. If you guys admitted things like, "Murray turned out to be a journeyman, and not a great one" (which I say as a Murray fan) then you'd be more believable. As it stands, you're like a lawyer who will say ANYTHING to defend the client. But you're not getting paid.

Nothing personal, I'm only saying that because it's impossible to have a good debate when one side never relents a point, no matter what.

[Areyoudumb]

Of course GGG wont be fighting Zurdo now as it is a risk due to height and size difference. I reckon its a 75-25 for GGG at best for ramirez though. I think though GGG will destroy the top 168 pounders as i dont think Degale and Badou have much power and GGG is a boxer too.
All this will be entertained though once GGG becomes undisputed MW and i dont see any reason why he cant be undisputed SMW too.

[Areyoudumb]

Also whats up with all these mexicans killing themselves, literally, to fight at a lower weight class? Canelo, Ramirez, Chavez jr....