Comments Thread For: "Fighting Words" - Making Peace Doesn't Guarantee Making Fights

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by David P. Greisman - It was a groundbreaking settlement, one that ended legal wrangling between two of the most significant en****** in boxing and opened up the possibility of them working together for the first time in years. It was 2007. The en****** were Top Rank Inc. and Golden Boy Promotions. The legal wrangling was over Manny Pacquiao...
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Haymon has no incentive to want to do business with Bob Arum, and Arum looks to be "over the barrell" in his relationship with HBO (Pacquiao being gone, HBO's boxing budget shrinking, HBO putting more of their money with non-Top Rank fighters, etc).

Pretending as if the relationship is still some 50/50 venture makes no sense, especially now (Arum went to Haymon with his most marketable asset, and still walked away with 40% on the payout and no actual contribution to the promotional effort).

There won't be any "let's work together"; Haymon is now in the position to treat, if he wanted, Bob Arum the way that Top Rank treats Zanfer Promotions (basically as an outfit to bring in fighters on Top Rank show, while promoting their own shows in Mexico).

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How many fights have Golden Boy and Top Rank made together since they mended fences?

[boxingitis]

For some reason i like top ranks fights better than PBC. Less fights more qualility, sooner or later they will have to make them or people are just going to watch something else other than boxing. I dont see how PBC is making any money. Not than many interesting fights. I only cared for Thurman vs Guerrero, Broner vs Porter, Thurman vs Porter, Leo vs Mares Everthying else meh!!!

[HAY-B]

How many fights have Golden Boy and Top Rank made together since they mended fences?

Just to expand on your question/comment..... ODLH claimed Haymon was preventing the fights people want to see from happening. Yet as of today ODLH is preventing GGG vs Canelo which is no doubt a fight a lot of people want to see. I raise this point to stress to everyone, boxing is a business and the only fights any of the top promoters are willing to give us (joint promotions) are those where the pot is big enough to share. I don't care what TR , GBP , or any other promoter says, they have no intentions of putting their top fighters against top fighters from a competing promotional company unless they're certain their fighter will win or they are getting the lion's share of the money. The rare exception to this is when two rival companies agree to split the money evenly because pitting their top fighters against each other is mutually benficial as we'll see this fall with Ward vs Kovalev.

[HAY-B]

For some reason i like top ranks fights better than PBC. Less fights more qualility, sooner or later they will have to make them or people are just going to watch something else other than boxing. I dont see how PBC is making any money. Not than many interesting fights. I only cared for Thurman vs Guerrero, Broner vs Porter, Thurman vs Porter, Leo vs Mares Everthying else meh!!!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. To me PBC has better quality of fights because most of their top guys are technical boxers--- which I like. I think your preference for TR cards has to do with the fighting styles of most of the fighters they showcase. Less fundamentals and more swinging. I base my opinion of your comment on 2 of the fights you listed. Thurman vs the Ghost and LSC vs Mares.
To be clear in no way shape or form am I trying to knock your opinion.

[MC Hammer]

Haymon has no incentive to want to do business with Bob Arum, and Arum looks to be "over the barrell" in his relationship with HBO (Pacquiao being gone, HBO's boxing budget shrinking, HBO putting more of their money with non-Top Rank fighters, etc).

Pretending as if the relationship is still some 50/50 venture makes no sense, especially now (Arum went to Haymon with his most marketable asset, and still walked away with 40% on the payout and no actual contribution to the promotional effort).

There won't be any "let's work together"; Haymon is now in the position to treat, if he wanted, Bob Arum the way that Top Rank treats Zanfer Promotions (basically as an outfit to bring in fighters on Top Rank show, while promoting their own shows in Mexico).

Thinking the same thing. When the list of fighters at each class was shown, TR only had one-2 worth whiles in any division. Haymon can afford to bypass those guys and knock off TR's contenders with his own established names. If not TR is forced to whither away because they don't have a relationship with Showtime and HBO has them fighting for peanuts. The TR guys may soon ending up signing with Haymon themselves.