Comments Thread For: Povetkin Tests Positive For Meldonium, Wilder Title Off

[Machinist_X]

Not trying to be an ass, but I have no idea what you're saying here.

I'm not deflecting ****. You read something out of context and are trying to blame me for it, and now you're bringing both Kovalev and Golovkin into this conversation for some reason.

This has been a ****** exchange and I'm done with it.

the guy is a utter biased fool and is out of touch with a number of boxing related issues because his head is up his own delusional arse.

[jas]

Russian doping claims: 99% of athletes guilty, German TV alleges

As many as 99% of Russian athletes are guilty of doping, a German TV documentary has alleged.
The programme claims that Russian officials systematically accepted payment from athletes to supply banned substances and cover up tests.
The documentary, shown by Das Erste, also implicates the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) in covering up the abuse.
The World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) has said it will "fully investigate".

lmaooo

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=660585

[Money Shot]

Point 4 is surely likely which would indicate a false positive. The tests in early April were clear and he's ramped up the training resulting in a microscopic detection. No way has he taken any of it this year. VADA have to clear this up immediately.

[The Big Dunn]

Everything is opinion, which I back up with reason in this case. In any case, we need to wait for a B sample and further official announcements. Riabynsky has stated his athlete to be clean and that no ban will be handed down. I guess you are aware that Povetkin has been fighting and using meldonium for several years. What has Wilder been using, legally or illegally? There is always a fine line to be drawn. I get that some of you Americans want to scream cheater, doper, etc. but this just isn't the factual circumstances from what we know right now. I would postpone the fight 3 months and continue random testing, clear things up, etc. but let's see what happens. I have no doubt Povetkin is a legit fighter and not a cheat as things stand.

Yes it is factual because he got caught cheating by VADA. That was always enough to call a fighter a cheater or a doper. why not in this case?

I have no doubt Povetkin is a legit fighter and not a cheat as things stand.

How is this possible given everything you have posted about VADA testing?

[Eff Pandas]

Was the B sample tested or declined to be tested by Povetkin & his team? Or in this case was the B samples of the prior tests re-tested to confirm none of this substances was in those samples?

One would think the WBC wouldn't have made there call without the B sample being tested or declined to be tested, but I've heard nothing about it.

[The Big Dunn]

Not trying to be an ass, but I have no idea what you're saying here.

I'm not deflecting ****. You read something out of context and are trying to blame me for it, and now you're bringing both Kovalev and Golovkin into this conversation for some reason.

This has been a ****** exchange and I'm done with it.

I'm saying that you're post was addressed by me because you are not one of the racist trolls just posting things. same as I am debating with Weltz.

I didn't take anything out of context. Your response pretty much absolved Povetkin for cheating and that is disgraceful. I brought GGG up in response to your post about agenda. I brought Kov up because he didn't take VADA.

[Weltschmerz]

Yes it is factual because he got caught cheating by VADA. That was always enough to call a fighter a cheater or a doper. why not in this case?

I have no doubt Povetkin is a legit fighter and not a cheat as things stand.

How is this possible given everything you have posted about VADA testing?

I explained why.

[The Big Dunn]

Thank you for offering a more nuanced picture and recognizing several realistic backgrounds.

why does a more nuanced picture need to be presented in this case? In every previous case its been cut and dry-tested positive on VADA means the fighter was cheating.

Can you understand how it looks when you agree with j0zef and support approaching Povetkin's positive this way when in other situations? you approach it differently?

[Eff Pandas]

The programme claims that Russian officials systematically accepted payment from athletes to supply banned substances and cover up tests.

lmaooo

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=660585

That might explain why Evgeny Gradovich has some mysterious ban for 2 years that came outta nowhere. He probably missed a payment for clean piss in the Selby fight.

MOSCOW (AP) — The Russian anti-doping agency says former world boxing champion Evgeny Gradovich has been banned for two years for breaking anti-doping rules.

The agency did not elaborate.

Gradovich's ban is backdated to June 30, 2015, a month after he lost his IBF featherweight title to Britain's Lee Selby, who still holds the belt.

The Russian has fought three times since that date, most recently on April 9, when he lost to Mexican fighter Oscar Valdez in Las Vegas for the WBO's North American featherweight title.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/...ed-doping.html

[The Big Dunn]

I explained why.

Sorry Weltz but you are looking incredibly bad on this.

You have always been definitive in how you interpret VADA testing results. That you are not definitive here is very problematic.

Povetkin was clean until the last test. He then appears beyond any doubt to lie about when he last used it. The facts overwhelmingly show he is a cheater yet you are not willing to call him one for reasons only you know.

You are going against everything you have ever posted about VADA, their accuracy, their credibility, and their ability to catch cheaters in the sport.

That is extremely disappointing.