Alvarez neutralized speed, how will Lil'G even land on Alvarez?

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  • sicko
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    #51
    Originally posted by Xoahr
    If GGG lost to Canelo, I would consider Canelo the true p4p #1, and an instant all time great.

    I think the fight would be a real challenge for GGG, but realistically I see it going down like the Lemieux fight. GGG has a bigger reach than Canelo, so I think we'll see that excellent piston-like jab being employed to stop Canelo from getting too frisky. Canelo will need to fight on the inside, and with Golovkin's ring-marshalship and the defensive capability he employed against Lemieux, I don't see that being easy.

    As to power, Canelo probably hits less hard than Lemieux. Canelo struggled to get the KO against Cotto and Mosley, but if he were able to get some body shots in, Golovkin could be hurt. We've never really seen how Golovkin manages against big body shots. We know his jaw is pretty good, though.

    Something a lot of people discount is that there is more to Golovkin than just coming forward and hitting hard. His footwork is excellent, he is far better at being balanced than Canelo, and he cuts off the ring in a very intelligent way. GGG won a silver in the Olympics, and won the International Amateurs a couple of times, and there is simply no way he could have his amateur record - over 400 documented fights, and only 5 documented losses (there are rumours there were another three). That's an insane amateur record, even if you go by the more conservative estimates of 350 fights and 8 losses.

    I sincerely believe there's a lot more to Golovkin we haven't seen yet, simply because he hasn't needed to use it. He's gone on record as saying he purposefully fights in a crowd friendly way, and I'm willing to believe him, because when he fought Lemieux he completely changed gears and style in the first 4 or 5 rounds, and then once he knew he'd ground Lemieux down enough, reverted back to his more physical style until he got the TKO.

    I think Canelo will really struggle with those aspects of Golovkin we've already seen, because whilst Golovkin has never really fought AAA fighters, the gatekeepers and respected veterans he has fought, he's simply walked through in a way which hasn't been seen for a really long time. If Golovkin does have more abilities and skills which he's keeping hidden away until he needs them, Canelo is really in trouble.

    Finally, Canelo sparred with Golovkin 5 years ago. I believe they fought 40 rounds over a few days. No video footage has ever been released, but a journalist who viewed the first day said it was pretty equal for the first few rounds, but then Golovkin who said he'd "warmed up" then went on to dominate for the rest. I also think Golovkin wasn't allowed to go for headshots then, either, as is the usual for him.

    I think that experience has really worried Canelo, but I also think there's a great deal of respect between the two fighters having undergone that experience. I think Canelo sincerely does want to fight Golovkin at 160, and I think Golovkin knows that, but I think Canelo's team doesn't want him to, because they're worried of the loss.

    It wouldn't be a walk over. I reckon it'd be a 10th or 11th round TKO, and if it did go to points, I think it would narrowly go to Golovkin (taking into account judge bias - but this in itself is a big compliment to Canelo. I think Golovkin has, on the scorecards, only ever lost 4 rounds out of 64).

    It's giving me flashbacks back to Froch v Groves and Froch v Groves II. I think it'll be an incredible fight, superb for the fans and career defining for GGG. Canelo is young enough, and has an excellent enough record that a loss would not be terminal for his career.

    This presumes, by the way, 158lbs+. Anything less, and it becomes a lot more even, and I see Canelo winning on points at 155 - 157.
    Great Post! GGG is a monster nobody is denying the talent, the Power and yes he is more than just a come forward face first reckless Brawler nobody is denying that. With all of that being said, the level of competition he has fought is the only thing that is questionable. When it comes to GGG because he doesn't have the resume most of the stuff when talking about him is assuming and speculation while with Canelo, say what you want about him and some of his questionable wins, bottom line he truly can say HE BEEN IN WITH THE BEST! So Canelo is truly battle tested especially with him still being so YOUNG. This could be KEY for him vs someone like GGG. I still favor GGG but people are writing Canelo off like he is going to just show up, get destroyed and GGG will become the new star of boxing. I'm just saying that it is a strong possibility that Canelo can also find a way to win and go on to truly become Boxing next big Superstar.

    Canelo vs GGG is not Canelo's "Biggest Fight Of His Career" the Mayweather fight was, yeah he lost to a style that gives anybody problems, GGG don't have that style! Hitting GGG will be a lot easier than hitting Mayweather or Lara!

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    • Lester Tutor
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      #52
      Originally posted by stuff jones
      WTF are you rambling on about? GGG doesn't rely on speed.
      are you new to boxing?

      when a boxer is on a defensive one might think that they use their EYES to see what shots are coming at them... but what do eyeballs serve in boxing?!

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        #53
        If GGG can take Canelo's shots to body and head without slowing down much, he will destroy Canelo....that's the only question we have on this fight....we already know Canelo doesnt have good footspeed, and that he cant take many clean shots from GGG(we even know GG hurt him in sparring)...he has good defense but that wont matter if he can't hurt Golovkin...Canelo got touched up a lot in any fight he had against guys with good size and pressure(that weren't punching bags like Angulo)...Larry Mosley, Tyner, even Kirkland had him very vulnerable on the ropes because Canelo has cement feet and a natural tendency to back up to look for counters...

        I still don't think there's any clear evidence that GGG can take shots from a good puncher without slowing down though....the two big punchers he fought, he fought very cautiously....and fighting at that slow outboxing pace will favor Canelo's handpeed and accurate power shots....there's a reason GGG said Canelo was the best fighter he's fought from their experience in sparring...

        I favor GGG but I don't count out Canelo...

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        • xhiddenx87
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          #54
          lo at the Alvarez neutralized Khan's speed, how in the world Alvarez neutralized speed if Khan was landing as he wanted the first 5 rounds xD then Khan stopped moving and the KO came.

          don't be silly, Gennady's jab alone is going to be a problem to Canelo.....I want has the better counterpunching techniques...

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          • K-Nan
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            #55
            Amir Khan becomes easier to time as the fight goes on because even though he is incredibly quick, he's not otherwise very crafty in delivering or disguising his punches. Even worse, he starts to telegraph punches onces he tires down a bit. Name a top guy who hasn't at least rocked Khan when he gets lazy.

            Against GGG, it'll be Canelo who needs the speed and movement because Golovkin will be trying to methodically cut off the ring and time him. Because standing and trading with Golovkin is proven to be suicide lol... This fight is close in my mind but I definitely think Canelo will have to fight more perfect of a fight than GGG will. GGG doesn't need a perfectly landed shot to hurt you.

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              #56
              Originally posted by xhiddenx87
              landing as he wanted the first 5 rounds xD then Khan stopped moving and the KO came.

              don't be silly, Gennady's jab alone is going to be a problem to Canelo.....I want has the better counterpunching techniques...
              Poor assessment. "What he wanted.." lol

              Alvarez blatantly progressed throughout the rounds and Khan lost confidence. Alvarez knocked him out because he was tired of chasing him around.

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              • BigZigga
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                #57
                He "neutralized speed" by fighting a junior welter and having a 20 pound weight advantage. Nice try though

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                • Lester Tutor
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by BigZigga
                  He "neutralized speed" by fighting a junior welter and having a 20 pound weight advantage. Nice try though
                  That has nothing to do with the 7 punch combos missed by Khan as Alvarez dodged them.... since when does Lil'G ever done a speed 3 punch combo? As if Alvarez would stay on the ropes or pocket for that.

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                  • MDPopescu
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                    #59
                    If it was that easy for Canelo, why didn't he fight GGG two days ago?

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                    • BigZigga
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by SugarKaineHook
                      That has nothing to do with the 7 punch combos missed by Khan as Alvarez dodged them.... since when does Lil'G ever done a speed 3 punch combo? As if Alvarez would stay on the ropes or pocket for that.
                      Khan was tagging him. What do you mean?

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