Comments Thread For: Hopkins Explains How His Size Overcame De La Hoya's Speed

[Larry the boss]

No he wasn't, Larry. De La Hoya looked like the better fighter...minus the 10 minutes on the ground. De La Hoya had a fairlybclear lead from what I remember. Not that it wasn't competitive but De La Hoya seemed to be more skilled (again, judging from memory).

Oscar was down on 2 of the 3 cards

[NearHypnos]

Oscar was down on 2 of the 3 cards

You misunderstand. Hopkins didn't outskill De La Hoya. He was just clearly physically superior. I don't remember the entire fight obviously at this point but I do remember vaguely. Like Hopkins full in throwing himself on top of De La Hoya with every clinch. Leads and then full on laying on him. Similarly to how Gamboa was clearly a superior fighter than Crawford. There's only so much you can do when the other guy just puts his chin down and charges in knowing that his size gives an advantage.

This is the point Hopkins is basically making. That there should come a time when Canelo willl be able to considtantly track down Khan similarly to how Hopkins got much more agressive towards the end.

I think I had De La Hoya slightly ahead, which is what I meant by that. I'm 29 so maybe I'd see it diferently now that it has been like a decade but I think you catch my drift.

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You misunderstand. Hopkins didn't outskill De La Hoya. He was just clearly physically superior. I don't remember the entire fight obviously at this point but I do remember vaguely. Like Hopkins full in throwing himself on top of De La Hoya with every clinch. Leads and then full on laying on him. Similarly to how Gamboa was clearly a superior fighter than Crawford. There's only so much you can do when the other guy just puts his chin down and charges in knowing that his size gives an advantage.

This is the point Hopkins is basically making. That there should come a time when Canelo willl be able to considtantly track down Khan similarly to how Hopkins got much more agressive towards the end.

I think I had De La Hoya slightly ahead, which is what I meant by that. I'm 29 so maybe I'd see it diferently now that it has been like a decade but I think you catch my drift.

I recall Hopkins was even outjabbing Oscar, but I have not seen that fight since it happened.

[ИATAS]

Of course that fight was staged... Hopkins became a partner in GBP right after that fight, good timing lol

Why not just have Hopkins win a decision then? No need for Oscar to suffer a KO loss, something he was proud about (never being stopped). Boxers aren't always enemies and many are friends with eachother and see the business side of things. For Hopkins it made perfect sense as he wanted to build a company ran by fighters for the fighters, something he was always very serious about and testified in court for the Ali Act (unfortunately GB simply evolved to be no different than the rest of them but that's a different story).

I don't see anything shocking about this fight, Oscar looked decent early as Hopkins was a notoriously slow starter, he started to land some power shots and you see Oscar was affected by them, no surprise being Hopkins was the bigger man and then got caught with a liver shot. Now you can argue whether or not Oscar could have got up, only he knows that, buy plenty of times we've seen guys stay down because they know the opponent is too much.

[cupocity303]

Of course that fight was staged... Hopkins became a partner in GBP right after that fight, good timing lol

Clearly, you and a few others in this thread lack critical thinking abilities.

What leap of logic would lead you to believe that Delahoya threw the fight, so that Hopkins can become a GDP partner? Where does Oscar gain in all of this?

He gets to lose the fight (a gain for B-Hop) and B-hop gets to make partner with his company (another gain for B-Hop). It's not like Hopkins signed a slave contract with Oscar's company following the win. Now that would be at least plausible.

In what way does anyone gain from this? Was there some unusual bet where Oscar cashed out and made 100 million dollars for losing? Answer: NO

He went on to a even bigger money fight with Floyd.

In no way does it make sense that Oscar threw the fight. He made the lions share of the money and winning the Undisputed 160 Championship would have just been icing on the cake for him.

[cupocity303]

You misunderstand. Hopkins didn't outskill De La Hoya. He was just clearly physically superior. I don't remember the entire fight obviously at this point but I do remember vaguely. Like Hopkins full in throwing himself on top of De La Hoya with every clinch. Leads and then full on laying on him. Similarly to how Gamboa was clearly a superior fighter than Crawford. There's only so much you can do when the other guy just puts his chin down and charges in knowing that his size gives an advantage.

This is the point Hopkins is basically making. That there should come a time when Canelo willl be able to considtantly track down Khan similarly to how Hopkins got much more agressive towards the end.

I think I had De La Hoya slightly ahead, which is what I meant by that. I'm 29 so maybe I'd see it diferently now that it has been like a decade but I think you catch my drift.

Objectively speaking, you can see where Delahoya is the better fighter. Speed, mobility, combination punching etc,. This also usually comes with being the smaller fighter. It happened to Oscar as well when he fought Floyd.

But is he truly a better fighter than B-hop? No he isn't. He can't defend himself as well as Hopkins and he can't box as well as Hopkins, whether it's in terms of strategy OR ability to execute. The best way to describe Hopkins is that he is a SURVIVOR. Even during his worst performances, he knew how to survive the fight and not get outright embarrassed, whether it be a humiliating knockout loss, or getting owned for 12 rounds with a busted up face to boost.


That in and of itself is a skill. He also did a better pure boxing job on Tito Trinidad, then Oscar did when he fought Tito. It required less effort but got the same job done --whereas Oscar was expending twice the amountof energy on foot work to keep Tito off him, which ended up costing him the fight - as he was probably spent the last 5 rounds and decided to coast on footwork alone.

He is not a more skilled boxer than Hopkins. He is simply more athletic, more agile and has more physical gifts in terms of speed-power ratio.

[HarvardBlue]

There's no doubt De la Hoya was winning the fight. Hopkins was just smarter and had more experience.

Khan will probably win a few rounds but he'll make mistakes and possibly get stopped. He has the skills to win this fight but he'll break down mentally like always.

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The only reason Hopkins stayed at 160 was because he was going to be the bigger man than almost everyone he faced. This was the same man that fought Roy Jones at 154 and lost so how is it that this neanderthal of a write can say that Hopkins excelled as the smaller man at Light Heavy Weight.
Hopkins' biggest wins at 160 were against Trinidad and Oscar and both of them were much smaller than Hopkins, in fact Oscar started his career at 130Ibs.

Prior to that none of these so called boxing "experts" can even name a single hall of fame fighter that Hopkins faced. Hopkins then went on to fight bums in William Joppy who was destroyed by Trinidad a couple of years before, then some idiot from France named Murrad something and other tomato cans.

Hopkins then cherry picked his way to an "astonishing" career by beating Winky Wright at 170Ibs catch weight and then beating Tarver for the LHW belts. Tarver has always been a bum. A lucky win against Roy Jones means nothing when he lost his next fight against Glen Johnson right after that great win.

Hopkins is a joke just like his fans

[cupocity303]

Hopkins called it.

[Johnny_Roa]

What? There's no way you believe that...

They are almost quite literally paralyzing because of the pain. You DO have your legs and faculties, technically... But breathing, or any movement is like being stabbed with a sword. That's why you see when guys go down they're writhing in pain or frozen on the floor. It's not your average pain...you're completely overloaded..feels like your legs won't move because moving them feels like you're dying. I've taken some mean body shots in my life and none by one of the best middleweights in history...

People who think body shots don't hurt like that end up like Macklin and De la Hoya in the gym and then never come back

I said it with confidence since i'm at amateur boxing, and i've taken some ugly shots at the liver and my solar plexus....... but you may be right. I have not taken a liver blow from the best middleweight from the world.