How Many Canelo Wins Have Been Gifts/Robberies?

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  • GGGKovaBeast
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    #11
    114x114 vs Lara
    115x112 vs Trout
    115x113 vs Cotto

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    • -Kev-
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      #12
      He's won them all. Only loss is Floyd.

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      • b00g13man
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        #13
        None. Just one fight close enough to have gone either way.

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        • Eff Pandas
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          #14
          I don't think he's gotten any robberies. Well maybe the Majority Decision Loss to Floyd was a robbery or gift of sorts if you wanna call it that cuz no way that shoulda been a draw on any card.

          Personally I had Lara winning so I think that was a gift decision. I can't remember if I had Trout up by 1 or Canelo up by one so I can't 100% say I considered that fight a gift, but I definitely say that as a close fight that whoever won coulda considered it a gift.

          And lets not forget the fights most of us (or maybe any of us) didn't see:

          Canelo (2-0) Win 4 rd split decision over Miguel Vazquez (pro debut)
          Canelo (4-0) Draw 4 split decision over Jorge Juarez (3-5)
          Canelo (18-0-1) Win 10 rd split decision over Francisco Villanueva (5-17-2)

          I did think the Cotto fight was closer than scored, but I didn't think Cotto was close to winning.

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          • Luilun
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            #15
            Originally posted by FlatLine
            Lara (many, if not most, people thought Lara won)
            Trout (some had it a draw, some for Canelo, some Trout)
            Cotto (TV Azteca and Chavez Sr had Cotto winning easily - TV Azteca scored it 117-111 to Cotto)
            Any others?

            Which means, should Canelo really have 4 losses, including the Mayweather fight which he admittedly fought when he was green, weight-drained at a punitive, debilitating, performance-corroding catchweight?

            How many of Canelo's fights do you think should really be losses?
            Stop your crying Lara lost only 2 fighters in history can win fights by running thats Ali and Floyd the rest will not get a decision

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            • Death_Adder
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              #16
              None. Canelo clearly won all of his fights that he's one. Closest one was Lara.

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              • killakali
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                #17
                Originally posted by about.thousands
                None. Both sides fought hard! Close fights can go either way. That's what happens when you fight the best.
                This right here! Remember the Trout fight was open scoring had Canelo built a big lead and could afford to take the late rounds off. We know this affected the way he fought and Trout since they both knew the scores.

                Cotto wasn't that close. Remember people like Chavez Sr and Marquez dislike Canelo and will discredit him whenever given the chance.

                Lara was the closest fight but many people had Canelo winning. I believe Showtime scored it a draw. Many people didn't give Canelo credit for the hellacious body shots he landed and focused on his lack of success hitting Lara to the head. This ain't the amateurs, body shots count. That seems to be lost in some pro fights nowadays by the judges. It appeared the judges didn't count Porky Medina's body work and Badou Jack's as well in their most recent fights. Especially Medina's

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                • daggum
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by killakali
                  This right here! Remember the Trout fight was open scoring had Canelo built a big lead and could afford to take the late rounds off. We know this affected the way he fought and Trout since they both knew the scores.

                  Cotto wasn't that close. Remember people like Chavez Sr and Marquez dislike Canelo and will discredit him whenever given the chance.

                  Lara was the closest fight but many people had Canelo winning. I believe Showtime scored it a draw. Many people didn't give Canelo credit for the hellacious body shots he landed and focused on his lack of success hitting Lara to the head. This ain't the amateurs, body shots count. That seems to be lost in some pro fights nowadays by the judges. It appeared the judges didn't count Porky Medina's body work and Badou Jack's as well in their most recent fights. Especially Medina's
                  they had him with an undeserved big lead. that was the problem. it was a very close fight but they all had canelo up. trout tried to change it up and that got him out of his game plan which was working reasonably well. obv if trout had changed up his game plan and ko'd canelo we would be saying how the open scoring helped trout but it helped canelo in this fight since trout has no power and he got sloppier goign for it.

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                  • killakali
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by daggum
                    they had him with an undeserved big lead. that was the problem. it was a very close fight but they all had canelo up. trout tried to change it up and that got him out of his game plan which was working reasonably well. obv if trout had changed up his game plan and ko'd canelo we would be saying how the open scoring helped trout but it helped canelo in this fight since trout has no power and he got sloppier goign for it.
                    canelo won most of the first 7 rounds easy then coasted after the knock down. I scored it 7 rounds to 5 115-112

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                    • -PBP-
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                      #20
                      I have problems with the Nelo judge. Not the outcome of the fights:

                      119-109 vs. Cotto
                      117-111 vs. Lara
                      114-114 vs. Mayweather
                      118-109 vs. Trout

                      I mean one can be an aberration, two you start to wonder, 3 you start noticing a trend but 4 scores like this in his 4 toughest fights?

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