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I'm a Bernie supporter now? LMAO....Yeah you might want to go back and re-read before you go off on your next rendition of bloviating moron. I can't f'ing stand Bernie son..so you are bantering on and on and look like a f'ing fool. Get the man nut out of your eyes and learn to read double digit I.Q. having fk. This is hilarious i'm being accused of supporting of the least likely candidate on earth to get my vote, i'd vote for your f@gg*t self before Bernie.
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Poor little donut hedd... you're not even bright enough to follow the narrative. No, I never thought you'd vote for Bernie, and I really don't care that you're so wacko. Anyone with a pulse can go off like you've done the past few posts. Takes someone with a bit upstairs to do some research on a candidate and reach a logical conclusion. But hey, if you want Trump go for it. With the choices now being probably Trump or Hillary, I'm not losing sleep over it either way... cuz it won't matter anyway. Both are corporate shills who will look out for their 1%er friends. We middle class schmucks would be lucky to get a few crumbs now and then.Comment
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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
The only tax increase Bernie wants definitely is 2-3% to pay for the single payer healthcare plan. But then you save a stack of money by not having healthcare premiums. Go research his proposals on his site and stop repeating b.s. He's starting a revolution, using more logic than the rest of the candidates... AND he's been on the right side of history for decades... working for the people, not the corporations. He isn't even funded by corporations. He's funded by small donations from working class schmucks like you and I.
And here's Trump BTW, proving he isn't on the side of we middle class schmucks, at 1:15 says we're apparently being paid too much. You need to objectively do your unbiased research, THEN comment...
If you get 'insult' out of truth then fine I'll just bail. But if you want reality, you'd have to watch the video. As for 'schmucks', all of we middle class are that for putting up with biz-as-usual for so long. As for Trump financing himself, not really my friend. Bernie doesn't charge admission to his rallies, Trump often does. And they all sell swag at the rallies so it's a wash. Like I said, a 2-3% tax increase is all Bernie proposes, to fund a healthcare system that would cost us thousands less in premiums. You're basically making a big deal out of a sorta insult, then not watching the video, then saying Bernie's raising taxes without even acknowledging the facts I brought forth. And BTW, Trump can say whatever to get the job, but we have no clue what he'll actually do on the job. And Hillary is definitely for the 1%ers like Trump. Ironically, those 2 have very few differences at this point. Bernie though has worked for the people for decades, whether you'll believe it or not. And as for the socialism argument, we are already a socialist nation, have been for decades. Public schools, roads, bridges, libraries; the military; fire/police depts etc etc... all examples of socialism. But I can see you aren't going to accept facts, so we'll call it a day here. One last thing though, I'm way less against Trump than I am Hillary.Comment
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You're more against Hillary? Well that's good. It seems like most people are these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
The only tax increase Bernie wants definitely is 2-3% to pay for the single payer healthcare plan. But then you save a stack of money by not having healthcare premiums. Go research his proposals on his site and stop repeating b.s. He's starting a revolution, using more logic than the rest of the candidates... AND he's been on the right side of history for decades... working for the people, not the corporations. He isn't even funded by corporations. He's funded by small donations from working class schmucks like you and I.
And here's Trump BTW, proving he isn't on the side of we middle class schmucks, at 1:15 says we're apparently being paid too much. You need to objectively do your unbiased research, THEN comment...
If you get 'insult' out of truth then fine I'll just bail. But if you want reality, you'd have to watch the video. As for 'schmucks', all of we middle class are that for putting up with biz-as-usual for so long. As for Trump financing himself, not really my friend. Bernie doesn't charge admission to his rallies, Trump often does. And they all sell swag at the rallies so it's a wash. Like I said, a 2-3% tax increase is all Bernie proposes, to fund a healthcare system that would cost us thousands less in premiums. You're basically making a big deal out of a sorta insult, then not watching the video, then saying Bernie's raising taxes without even acknowledging the facts I brought forth. And BTW, Trump can say whatever to get the job, but we have no clue what he'll actually do on the job. And Hillary is definitely for the 1%ers like Trump. Ironically, those 2 have very few differences at this point. Bernie though has worked for the people for decades, whether you'll believe it or not. And as for the socialism argument, we are already a socialist nation, have been for decades. Public schools, roads, bridges, libraries; the military; fire/police depts etc etc... all examples of socialism. But I can see you aren't going to accept facts, so we'll call it a day here. One last thing though, I'm way less against Trump than I am Hillary.
According to Bernie, everyone needs to pay their fair share. The problem with the word fair is that no one can ever decided exactly what is fair. He plans to raise taxes on the rich and let the little schmucks off the hook. Well, if that isn't the grandest plan in all the land? Woohoo! What a guy!
But in reality, if that did happen, where do you suppose those 1 percenters would operate? It wouldn't be here. It would be somewhere else and the job market would suffer more than it already has. He's not just planning that 2-3% tax you speak of. He's planning a whole lot more for the rich- you know the guys who create jobs? But don't trust me. It's right here on his own site.
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Do you understand the income gap has never been as high as it is now? Never in history. And do you think that's a good thing? Do you think the 118K cap on taxable income for social security taxes is fair? Or should there be no cap? Do you really think the rich/big corporations would stop doing biz in the U.S. and eliminate their work forces here if they had to pay more tax? Or are you possibly just repeating what you've been 'taught' to believe? You have to have the ability to do critical thinking, "the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment." I hear people constantly dissing people and issues... then they expose themselves as someone who really hasn't done any critical thinking on the person/issue at all. As for the tax for free university for all, while I would say that should be limited to only those who can't afford it, and who have the aptitude for it... there is a good argument to be made for making the Wall St fat cats pay for it. After all, we taxpayers bailed them out a few years ago. And the only reason I brought up the single payer issue is because that is the one that gets the most flack. IMO making the rich get back to paying their fair share isn't hurting anything or anyone. The rich/big corporation's tax rate has bounced around all over the spectrum since the beginning. From 7% to 92%. And I doubt anyone wants them paying 92% anymore... but them pay a fair amount isn't a bad thing. They can afford it, while the poor family can't even afford to eat and pay rent, let alone medical. It costs money to do business. The rich/big corporations benefit from the infrastructure we have here, more so than the average taxpayer. I'm certainly not for 'free stuff' like the Bernie detractors are quick to bring up, but a system where the poor/middle class get some help would help the economy... because that group spends the money. The rich don't. They hoard it.Comment
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You may be right. But you're ignoring the fact that a large percentage of those voters like in the south in most (not all) white communities vote so because of their deep-rooted bigoted views against people of color. Whites (not all) who themselves enjoy government subsidies, military grants, etc. People who when the economy is not doing well their favorite whipping boy is the black folk or the illegal Mexican.Comment
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