Golovkin... Why Counter Game and Defensive Shells Don't Work against him...

[mick1303]

I'm getting a serious vibe you're a complete Golovtard. Anyway you want to spin it but it was one of Golovkin's best wins and welterweight Cotto put on the same performance, those are the facts. You're the one reaching trying to pump up GGG's win because it was an entire round later lol. In fact, Cotto's win was more impressive given the size difference and Cotto being a natural 147 pounder.

This is an example of being dishonest in the discussion. Instead of countering the whole argument, pick one little nugget. The "round earlier" is of course a non-argument. But the fact that Geale was weight-drained is. And you were silent about it. In all truth, this makes Cotto's victory shallow. Like Ward's victory over Dawson and many similar, when weight-drained fighter is nearly the same.

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This is an example of being dishonest in the discussion. Instead of countering the whole argument, pick one little nugget. The "round earlier" is of course a non-argument. But the fact that Geale was weight-drained is. And you were silent about it. In all truth, this makes Cotto's victory shallow. Like Ward's victory over Dawson and many similar, when weight-drained fighter is nearly the same.

Catchweights happen, and I'm not ignoring the "weight drained" argument because my sole point is that Cotto stopped the same guy GGG did in similiar fashion, and it's considered one of G's best victories. The other guy can't dispute that so he wants to drag excuses into the discussion (weight drained, Golovkin did it first, 1 round earlier). How about we all be consistent and agree that Geale isn't a very good fighter to begin with? Weight drained or not, he's not elite or at Cotto's or Golovkin's level. Also, terrible example because Dawson dropped 8 pounds, an entire division, while Geale only dropped 3. Try again, sweet heart.

[Lester Tutor]

LOL, dude they are going to be right here reading about how Candelita was a chump, a fabrication to begin with. How he was never really a MW even though he weighed near 180 on fight night and GGG just mauled and crushed him like the rest of the tin cans.

Why else would Candelita create an entire weight class of his own to avoid fighting GGG?

How can you ''create'' a weight class under the media hype umbrella for only one voluntary defense? Alvarez fought Cotto on his terms.

Fighting Khan at 155 is a ''made up weight class?'' He's doing Khan a favor for a catchweight. You expect Alvarez to fight Khan at 160?

People get desperate for Lil'G. Loeffler and Sanchez said 2017 or 2018... are you hearing any objections? Wait after the Khan bout or the post presser for anything to be said including the 15 day response for the WBC.

[mick1303]

Catchweights happen, and I'm not ignoring the "weight drained" argument because my sole point is that Cotto stopped the same guy GGG did in similiar fashion, and it's considered one of G's best victories. The other guy can't dispute that so he wants to drag excuses into the discussion (weight drained, Golovkin did it first, 1 round earlier). How about we all be consistent and agree that Geale isn't a very good fighter to begin with? Weight drained or not, he's not elite or at Cotto's or Golovkin's level. Also, terrible example because Dawson dropped 8 pounds, an entire division, while Geale only dropped 3. Try again, sweet heart.

First, the difference between LHW and SMW is 7, not 8. Again - exaggerating to make you point "stronger". Second, yes - in the grand scheme of things Geale is not a world beater. But he was a unified champion. And there was another argument (which can't be positively confirmed or denied, but still should be taken into consideration) - Geale was "ruined" by GGG. This makes for me enough differences to see Cotto's victory in a different light.

[Lester Tutor]

First, the difference between LHW and SMW is 7, not 8. Again - exaggerating to make you point "stronger". Second, yes - in the grand scheme of things Geale is not a world beater. But he was a unified champion. And there was another argument (which can't be positively confirmed or denied, but still should be taken into consideration) - Geale was "ruined" by GGG. This makes for me enough differences to see Cotto's victory in a different light.

Lil'G was promoted to a WBA Champ status...

Geale had previously lost to two World former champs before facing Lil'G. And Geale fought Sylvester the proper way for a title not elevated...

Geale imo can't beat any 160 World Champions atm even if he never fought Lil'G or Cotto.

[Shrap]

I'm getting a serious vibe you're a complete Golovtard. Anyway you want to spin it but it was one of Golovkin's best wins and welterweight Cotto put on the same performance, those are the facts. You're the one reaching trying to pump up GGG's win because it was an entire round later lol. In fact, Cotto's win was more impressive given the size difference and Cotto being a natural 147 pounder.

Except it's not because Geale was completely drained. He was a zombie, of course he was going down like a sack of potatoes.

I'm saying both aren't impressive wins. Golovkin still has a lot to prove and Cotto doesn't, he's earned his place in the HOF. But it still doesn't change the fact he fought a destroyed and drained Geale.

Catchweights happen, and I'm not ignoring the "weight drained" argument because my sole point is that Cotto stopped the same guy GGG did in similiar fashion, and it's considered one of G's best victories. The other guy can't dispute that so he wants to drag excuses into the discussion (weight drained, Golovkin did it first, 1 round earlier). How about we all be consistent and agree that Geale isn't a very good fighter to begin with? Weight drained or not, he's not elite or at Cotto's or Golovkin's level. Also, terrible example because Dawson dropped 8 pounds, an entire division, while Geale only dropped 3. Try again, sweet heart.

I said "one round earlier" as a direct response to your "same round" post. It was getting facts straight, nothing more.

This is just more of your dishonesty and deflecting.

[LetOutTheCage]

He hasn't fought anyone elite, so we don't know for sure that they won't work.

Oh they will work, as much as I like GGG if you put Ward or someone like a prime Hopkins in with him he gets schooled. That's no disrespect to GGG because those guys are masters at nullifying power and not getting hit cleanly.

[Lester Tutor]

Except it's not because Geale was completely drained. He was a zombie, of course he was going down like a sack of potatoes.

I'm saying both aren't impressive wins. Golovkin still has a lot to prove and Cotto doesn't, he's earned his place in the HOF. But it still doesn't change the fact he fought a destroyed and drained Geale.

Meanwhile Cotto is a year older than Golovkin and has moved up in weights...

but of course Cotto (to Lil'G bandwagoners) means nothing nor did they follow it years back...

[b00g13man]

Oh they will work, as much as I like GGG if you put Ward or someone like a prime Hopkins in with him he gets schooled. That's no disrespect to GGG because those guys are masters at nullifying power and not getting hit cleanly.

Yep. Which is the reason he stayed well away from Ward.

[Shrap]

Meanwhile Cotto is a year older than Golovkin and has moved up in weights...

but of course Cotto (to Lil'G bandwagoners) means nothing nor did they follow it years back...

What are you talking about? Cotto is a great fighter and has proven himself a warrior as I've said, he has achieved way more than Golovkin and has earned his place in boxing history. It doesn't mean he is immune to criticism.