RJ Perspective...

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

all I know Mayweather is undefeated and been in the game 16 years as a pro. Mayweather>jones.

[daggum]

give it a rest man....for real...the act is past old.

yea Margarito was so great he lost to Daniel Santos, no names, mosley and every elite fighter he faced

Floyd is older than Cotto and Pac....You know why those fights didnt happen in the 2000s. Bob Arum didnt wanna put Cotto in with floyd when he was at 140 and Mosley had a toothache in 06, Manny was ducking drug testing and roach made that clear

you're a good poster but go straight "der der" mode when it comes to Floyd

i'm just going by the facts if you don't like that i'm sorry. floyd turned down the marg fight for 7 mill and fought sharmba for 4 mill and judah for 5. marg was a belt holder and #1 in the division. no reason for that fight not to happen. you can bring up santos all you want. judah had just to baldomir and still got the fight. it was a duck against a top guy. i don't love floyd so i can see that. he also could have returned at any point and fought marg after marg beat cotto. a popular mexican that seems like floyd's MO. fights on mexcian holidays against mexican fighters but not this one hmmm alright.

floyd vs cotto at 140 hmmm ok that wasn't a big fight now floyd vs cotto at 147? super fight that floyd avoided. cotto lives too far away? are you serious? the fake retirement? why do you defend things like that? it should have happened at 147 but floyd didn't want it stop blaming arum. arum didn't make floyd say silly things and retire.

floyd changed his demands over and over to stall the fight and eventually he only offered manny 40 millino and no ppv so yea he clearly did not want the fight. you can blame pac for not calling his bluff earlier but for 5 years? not reasonable.

[robertzimmerman]

he didnt avoid floyd....he avoided random drug testing and wanted cut off dates.


der...its not random if you know when the testing stops....der

Look, Manny didn't have to agree to any testing.

Why? Because up until Floyd's big mouth Daddy spoke out, there was no issue. Nobody had an issue fighting Manny, and nobody else had accused him of any wrongdoing. There was no other accusations that had been made against him, and zero evidence.

Then after Floyd Snr had made the accusations, Floyd then suddenly became on a crusade to clear up the sport of boxing, and he demanded that Manny had to be tested for the fight to have taken place.

Manny could have told him to stick the testing. But he agreed to it, on the condition that he was left alone for the last 2 weeks of camp. Now there was nothing wrong with that. Manny has camps that last 8/9 weeks. So he was willing to be randomly blood tested at any point within a 6/7 week period, and he was happy to give a urine test every day, as well as an immediate after fight blood test. Again, considering that there wasn't a shred of evidence of any wrongdoing, that should have been sufficient.

Just because Manny wouldn't jump through hoops and agree to every one of Floyd's demands, that didn't make him guilty.

In the end, they couldn't reach a compromise on the cut off days.

Then look at what happened afterwards?

The Mayweather's had to go to court, apologise and pay compensation.

Then last year we find out that Floyd was so dehydrated the day before the fight, he had to have an IV of 750ml, that should have been declared a medical emergency with the admittance to a hospital.

What a joke.

[therealpugilist]

Look, Manny didn't have to agree to any testing.

Why? Because up until Floyd's big mouth Daddy spoke out, there was no issue. Nobody had an issue fighting Manny, and nobody else had accused him of any wrongdoing. There was no other accusations that had been made against him, and zero evidence.

After Floyd Snr had made the accusations, Floyd then became on a mission to clear up the state of boxing, and he demanded that Manny had to be tested for the fight to have taken place.

Manny could have told him to stick the testing. But he agreed to it, on the condition that he was left alone for the last 2 weeks of camp. Now there was nothing wrong with that. Manny has camps that last 8/9 weeks. So he was willing to be randomly blood tested at any point within a 6/7 week period, and he was happy to give a urine test every day, as well as an immediate after fight blood test. Again, considering that there wasn't a shred of evidence of any wrong doing, that should have been sufficient.

In the end, they couldn't reach a compromise on the cut off days.

Then look at what happened afterwards?

The Mayweather's had to go to court, apologise and pay compensation.

Then last year we find out that Floyd was so dehydrated the day before the fight, he had to have an IV of 750ml, that should have been declared a medical emergency with the admittance to a hospital.

What a joke.

he lost to erik morales....said they make him weak...naw the excuse was just weak and then after no random testing goes on a tear going up in weight battering big dudes. Then when the accusations start, the kos stop.


He ducked the drug testing...not floyd

[robertzimmerman]

The man refused the fight 3 times. What does that tell you?

Get real.

Go and do some research and then come back.

[robertzimmerman]

SO now it has to be fair. according to you, when a fighter turns down the biggest payday he is ever offered that is a duck. You said this about Ward relative to Froch 2, Bute and Stevenson and you said it about Saunders when he turned down GGG.

WHy is it different when Manny did it?

This is the wrong thread for this so it's my last post about it. troll away daggum.

Sort yourself out.

As if he was going to accept a flat fee from the biggest grossing fight EVER!

SMH.

Anyway, I don't really want to get dragged into this again.

This is about Roy.

[daggum]

SO now it has to be fair. according to you, when a fighter turns down the biggest payday he is ever offered that is a duck. You said this about Ward relative to Froch 2, Bute and Stevenson and you said it about Saunders when he turned down GGG.

WHy is it different when Manny did it?

This is the wrong thread for this so it's my last post about it. troll away daggum.

your comprehension is low and your arguments are hypocrtical. a bad combination. a floyd-pac fight for 50-50 or anywhere close to 50-50 was also floyd's biggest payday so according to your own logic floyd ducked? you can't even see that you are starting and framing all your arguments with an inherent bias?

here's the difference betwen teh situations. first of all being an a-side gives you more negotiating power it doesn't give you total power. floyd getting 10 times more than pac is not reasonable. you know this. saying it is pacs biggest payday and he should have taken it makes you look so oblivious to the fact that any reasonable offer was also floyd's biggest payday but your bias prevents you from seeing that. floyd made a terrible offer and pac rejected it. ward made a terrible offer and ggg rejected it. just because a guy rejects an offer doesn't mean he is the ducker. for example if baldomir offered floyd 50-50 and to fight in 15 months that would not be a duck if floyd said no lets be realistic. you have to look at the details which you fail to do. lets break down the details.
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you tried to say ggg-ward was ggg's biggest payday and that it was a duck. this is not even true since we don't know the financials of that fight because the fight would have happened in late 2016 and ggg was set to fight canelo-cotto winner which is a much bigger fight before that. you wanted ggg to stall his career and take a bad deal while possibly jeapordizing his biggest payday in the process. not reasonable. usually fights aren't setup 15 months in advance and at a 50-50 split when one guy is much more popular. you know this.

ward on the other hand turned down bute and a career high payday in favor of....oh yea he had no better options. he said but wasn't wothy. hence a duck. same with the froch rematch. most money and the best fighter he could have faced and instead he tried to fight guys like sartison and periban? and you are trying to compare that to ggg fighting canelo instead of waiting 15 months for ward? seriously? you don't see the difference? blind.

[daggum]

Sort yourself out.

As if he was going to accept a flat fee from the biggest grossing fight EVER!

SMH.

Anyway, I don't really want to get dragged into this again.

This is about Roy.

500 million dollar fight and floyd gets 460 to pacs 40. hmmm yea pac ducked lmao. yet if ggg offered ward a fight and he made 10 times more than ward i wonder what they would say....ggg at least can sell twice as much as ward yet ward wants even money wtf. floyd was only slightly more popular than pac and he wanted ten times more and they defend it. they simpyl don't care about facts.

[robertzimmerman]

he lost to erik morales....said they make him weak...naw the excuse was just weak and then after no random testing goes on a tear going up in weight battering big dudes. Then when the accusations start, the kos stop.


He ducked the drug testing...not floyd

Yes, they messed up his test results in 2005 just prior to the fight, which meant he had to give some more blood for the fight to go ahead. So he gave blood and it made him weak. Even Morales agreed. And those links are still online from 11 years ago.

But you're trying to bend the truth. Manny didn't refuse testing, he just refused to be randomly tested EVERY DAY up until the day of the fight.

That's a big difference.

Again, there was nothing wrong with a cut off, if he was still willing to give urine every day plus an immediate after fight blood test.

That should have been sufficient.

Are we really supposed to believe that Manny wanted to cheat for a 2 week period out of a 9 week camp?

If Floyd had possessed any balls, he'd have just fought Manny like every one else did.

And we know that it was all BS any way, because after Manny had caved with the cut off days, Floyd wanted all the PPV.

He kept moving the goal posts.

Jeez, just go back and look at his interviews from 5 years ago, and look at how he carried himself.

It's as plain as day he never wanted the fight.


Anyway, if you want to discuss it further, either PM me or start a thread.

This is about Roy Levista.

[Zaroku]

didnt he defend his title vs Eric Lucas and play a semi pro basketball game in one day....helluva athlete

I remember that! All the while working on his rap music!