Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Kovalev-Ward, Pacquiao, Selby-Hunter

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The Daily Bread Mailbag returns with Stephen 'Breadman' Edwards giving his thoughts on the trilogy bout between Manny Pacquiao and Timothy Bradley, the light heavyweight showdown between Andre Ward and Sergey Kovalev, Lee Selby vs. Eric Hunter, and more.
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[DblLFThooK]

Who is better than prime roy jones jr?
Seriously. Speed. Power. Accuracy. Footwork. Defense. Always in the right position to punch or evade.

[Bronx2245]

Manny's opposition at 147 or above was much weaker than Floyd's opposition. I think Manny's best win @ WW was Miguel Cotto and that fight was @ 145, not 147. I know there's a lot of hate but please, let's not forget:

Floyd Mayweather defeated more ranked welterweight contenders than Thomas Hearns (rankings by Ring/TBRB). He defeated more top five contenders than almost anyone outside the top ten, aside from the likes of Jackie Fields – but Fields also lost to a handful of welterweights. Mayweather was unbeaten.

Mayweather defeated more welterweight lineal champions than Barney Ross. Working by the scorecards of the judges he was, for the most part, in non-competitive fights at the weight. He made a past-prime Manny Pacquiao, his #1 contender at the weight, look like a journeyman. He defeated more #1 ranked fighters (champions or top rated contenders) than all but the most storied of fighters. He boxed only three unranked men at the weight, two of whom were soft touches (Sharmba Mitchell, his first fight at the weight, and Andre Berto) and Ricky Hatton, the light-welterweight champion of the world and universally recognized pound-for-pounder, who he knocked out.

He was one of the few men to become a two-time lineal world-welterweight champion and the only man who ever did it without losing a fight...

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...part-five-10-1

[pacphobia]

Who is better than prime roy jones jr?
Seriously. Speed. Power. Accuracy. Footwork. Defense. Always in the right position to punch or evade.

Too bad for Roy he never won a real lineal crown in his boxing career.

[Bandman]

manny vs floyd in 2015 proved absolutely nothing. .six years too late and turn off the commentators and fight was a draw at best. .people gave all the boring toss up rounds to floyd and only gave manny rounds that he dominated, thats not fair. .fans were robbed of that fight when it mattered, we will never know who was better between those two.

[M Bison]

Who is better than prime roy jones jr?
Seriously. Speed. Power. Accuracy. Footwork. Defense. Always in the right position to punch or evade.

It's easy to say all those things when you know we can't go back in a time machine you're living in nostalgia is my best bet don't get me wrong I know where you're coming from I really do!
I have nostalgic feelings about many different things but just because someone did this and that in the past it doesn't give you any solid evidence to say they're clearly much better than the best of our eras its just you missing the old days.

[Sledgeweather17]

Manny's opposition at 147 or above was much weaker than Floyd's opposition. I think Manny's best win @ WW was Miguel Cotto and that fight was @ 145, not 147. I know there's a lot of hate but please, let's not forget:

Floyd Mayweather defeated more ranked welterweight contenders than Thomas Hearns (rankings by Ring/TBRB). He defeated more top five contenders than almost anyone outside the top ten, aside from the likes of Jackie Fields ¨C but Fields also lost to a handful of welterweights. Mayweather was unbeaten.

Mayweather defeated more welterweight lineal champions than Barney Ross. Working by the scorecards of the judges he was, for the most part, in non-competitive fights at the weight. He made a past-prime Manny Pacquiao, his #1 contender at the weight, look like a journeyman. He defeated more #1 ranked fighters (champions or top rated contenders) than all but the most storied of fighters. He boxed only three unranked men at the weight, two of whom were soft touches (Sharmba Mitchell, his first fight at the weight, and Andre Berto) and Ricky Hatton, the light-welterweight champion of the world and universally recognized pound-for-pounder, who he knocked out.

He was one of the few men to become a two-time lineal world-welterweight champion and the only man who ever did it without losing a fight...

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...part-five-10-1

I agree with everything you said mostly, but I seriously hate how people always make the 'post prime Manny' excuse. Floyd was freakin two years older, had serious hand injuries for most of his career( what kind of condition you think his hands were in last year when he fought Manny? Roger Mayweather even said that Floyd was reduced to tears on more than one occassion during sparring in maypac training camp coz of his hands).

And then there is the fact that we clearly saw Floyd slipping right in front of our eyes when he faced Maidana, especially in the second fight, where even Paulie Malignaggi noted that Floyd is past his prime and is looking beatable now.

What was Floyd supposed to do? Get himself knocked out for people to believe that a 19 year career veteran with hand issues for most of his career, at age 37, was past his prime?

Manny being passed his prime is no excuse, in fact, 2009 Floyd would have probably knocked him out and made him look far more ridiculous than he did.

And as for Breadman, I give you props for 'trying' to be objective, but you don't have to be a genius either to see that you always biased against Floyd. I've read many of your posts over the past 12 months or so, and I can see that you don't like Floyd, you do try to be objective, but unfortunately you're only human, and your bias against him always shows.

Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter, but he is nowhere near Floyd's level. I liken Floyd to prime Roy Jones, the only difference being that Floyd was forced to fight defensively in order to protect his hands (he chose Roger over his dad earlier in his career because he wanted to be an offensive fighter, and was, until he started breaking his hands almost every fight, and then he was forced to become conservative again.

Floyd is the goat of the last 25, he sits at the very peak of the mountain. Roy Jones, Manny Pacquiao, Pernell Whitaker, etc etc, they were all great champions, with great many achievements, mad respect for them, but pound for pound, prime for prime, Floyd will always find a way to win, and make it look easy.

One last thing Breadman, tryna give Manny props for doing what he did besides being smaller than Floyd is more proof of your bias. Manny was 152lbs on MayPac, Floyd was 149lbs. Floyd has also never stepped on any scale, fight night or one day weigh in, where he was above 151lbs, and that 151lbs was only once against Cotto in 2012 for a junior middleweight bout. He was 150lbs on fight night against Canelo, 148lbs in Maidana 2, and 150lbs against Ortiz. Manny was 150lbs against Bradley.

Manny is not smaller than Floyd, shorter, yes slightly, but smaller? Hell no!

[Decepticus]

I totally understand why Kovalev doesn't mind fighting Ward in his backyard. Kovalev knocks Ward out anywhere, so why not in Oakland? The judges won't help Ward because it won't go to a decision. The referee might let him headbutt and hold, but ultimately Kovalev will catch him with a good one (or two, or three). He just hits damn too hard and can't be beat on the inside like others.

[aboutfkntime]

Manny's opposition at 147 or above was much weaker than Floyd's opposition. I think Manny's best win @ WW was Miguel Cotto and that fight was @ 145, not 147. I know there's a lot of hate but please, let's not forget:

Floyd Mayweather defeated more ranked welterweight contenders than Thomas Hearns (rankings by Ring/TBRB). He defeated more top five contenders than almost anyone outside the top ten, aside from the likes of Jackie Fields – but Fields also lost to a handful of welterweights. Mayweather was unbeaten.

Mayweather defeated more welterweight lineal champions than Barney Ross. Working by the scorecards of the judges he was, for the most part, in non-competitive fights at the weight. He made a past-prime Manny Pacquiao, his #1 contender at the weight, look like a journeyman. He defeated more #1 ranked fighters (champions or top rated contenders) than all but the most storied of fighters. He boxed only three unranked men at the weight, two of whom were soft touches (Sharmba Mitchell, his first fight at the weight, and Andre Berto) and Ricky Hatton, the light-welterweight champion of the world and universally recognized pound-for-pounder, who he knocked out.

He was one of the few men to become a two-time lineal world-welterweight champion and the only man who ever did it without losing a fight...

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...part-five-10-1

Also, i completely disagree with bread saying that Pacquiao did more against better opposition. When a guy is way past his prime, and he drops an entire divison, he is not "better".

Almost none of Pac's name-opponents were on top of their game when Manny fought them (that is no coincidence)..... Mayweather faced better versions of their common-opponents, AND he fought guys that Pac would not fight.

No way would Pac ever get in the ring with Canelo, NO WAY..... no way would Pac have fought the version of Hoya that Mayweather beat at 154, I don't believe it..... he refused to fight Cotto at 150, he refused to fight #1 ranked Mosley TWICE, even at catchweight.

Why did they totally refuse to consider #3 ranked welterweight Guerrero..... the same Guerrero who had dished Manny up in sparring when he was a lightweight..... same with Ortiz when he was ranked #3 at welter, and who had similar success when sparring Manny, they totally refused to consider him...... no Maidana/etc.

Bread didn't look at the whole picture, and he didn't factor in the timing and weight advantages that Pac enjoyed.

[HAY-B]

I agree with everything you said mostly, but I seriously hate how people always make the 'post prime Manny' excuse. Floyd was freakin two years older, had serious hand injuries for most of his career( what kind of condition you think his hands were in last year when he fought Manny? Roger Mayweather even said that Floyd was reduced to tears on more than one occassion during sparring in maypac training camp coz of his hands).

And then there is the fact that we clearly saw Floyd slipping right in front of our eyes when he faced Maidana, especially in the second fight, where even Paulie Malignaggi noted that Floyd is past his prime and is looking beatable now.

What was Floyd supposed to do? Get himself knocked out for people to believe that a 19 year career veteran with hand issues for most of his career, at age 37, was past his prime?

Manny being passed his prime is no excuse, in fact, 2009 Floyd would have probably knocked him out and made him look far more ridiculous than he did.

And as for Breadman, I give you props for 'trying' to be objective, but you don't have to be a genius either to see that you always biased against Floyd. I've read many of your posts over the past 12 months or so, and I can see that you don't like Floyd, you do try to be objective, but unfortunately you're only human, and your bias against him always shows.

Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter, but he is nowhere near Floyd's level. I liken Floyd to prime Roy Jones, the only difference being that Floyd was forced to fight defensively in order to protect his hands (he chose Roger over his dad earlier in his career because he wanted to be an offensive fighter, and was, until he started breaking his hands almost every fight, and then he was forced to become conservative again.

Floyd is the goat of the last 25, he sits at the very peak of the mountain. Roy Jones, Manny Pacquiao, Pernell Whitaker, etc etc, they were all great champions, with great many achievements, mad respect for them, but pound for pound, prime for prime, Floyd will always find a way to win, and make it look easy.

One last thing Breadman, tryna give Manny props for doing what he did besides being smaller than Floyd is more proof of your bias. Manny was 152lbs on MayPac, Floyd was 149lbs. Floyd has also never stepped on any scale, fight night or one day weigh in, where he was above 151lbs, and that 151lbs was only once against Cotto in 2012 for a junior middleweight bout. He was 150lbs on fight night against Canelo, 148lbs in Maidana 2, and 150lbs against Ortiz. Manny was 150lbs against Bradley.

Manny is not smaller than Floyd, shorter, yes slightly, but smaller? Hell no!

I agree with you about breadman being bias against fmj. I've been reading his mailbag for years when it was on **********. In fact he was so bias at times that I had to stop reading his responses about fmj. It was sounding like similar to the hate fmj gets on nsb