Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury: I'd KO Joshua in One, Slap Him Like We Do Our Bitches

[The plunger man]

Of course talk is cheap. I remember talking to guys like you back when Klitschko was still champion & I was saying the same thing doe, hell I was saying Fury would be a title holder for years. I understand it. Joshua gots power & power KTFO of people. Its impressive. Its awe inspiring. Its also overrated. Its also the main attribute & arguably the only one he has. I don't think Joshua sucks or that he has zero chance vs Fury or obviously anyone else, just power in the HW division can definitely take you further than in most other divisions, but I think people are assigning him superpowers over his performances over journeymen & prospects. Lets see him fight some legit top ten caliber contenders. Lets see him take those buzzing shots a domestic prospect like Whyte landed from a more experienced, been there done that level guy.

I can't argue with that....its a fair comment , but I'll tell you the difference between a joshua and another wannabe great hope....former Olympian , he's unbeaten, he has power in both hands , great timing, combination puncher , he's a gym rat and he also has this aura about him and when he faces anybody across that ring the intimidation sets in ....I'm not saying he's anywhere near the finished article but 2 years ago klitchcko backed this guy to take over the division and become the number 1 ...I saw the same in lewis when he first faced off with Gary mason and saw the potential he had that I now see in joshua...yeah of course he needs a decent heavyweight to take him rounds and test him...the question is can any heavyweight actually take Joshua's power over a number of rounds....I'm not so sure if they can

[The plunger man]

I can understand that. Watching a gleaming public relations performance can become tiresome. Oscar was a King in that realm until a facet of his real personality slipped through the (fish)net.

This is different for me though. I don't know whether he actually assaults the mother of his children. Let's say he doesn't. His father's doing his upmost best to foster an 'Us Vs The World' atmosphere, that let's face it, will be corrosive to his son's career. Tyson's sat at a press conference in the midst of that and thrown out a line to be purposefully offensive and controversial on a subject he's been pulled on before. So the attitude is, "**** it, I'll say what I want". Which is fine in and of itself, but why say that? Why make a comment like that? If he doesn't beat his wife, it's petulant and moronic, because it loses him support and money, which is the bottom line here. You can aim an offensive comment at a promoter without alienating yourself. He's introduced himself to the wider sport viewing British public, on who he'd rely for PPV sales, in the worst possible way.

Let's say he does beat his wife. Now I don't expect people who I pay to watch violently beat each other to be bastions of morality. Let's face it. It's a squalid little sport that we're all implicated in here. He wouldn't be the first or last boxer to be violent towards women. If you pay a man to be violent in the ring you can't be too shocked when he's violent out of it. With that said, that doesn't mean that domestic violence shouldn't be condemned. It's contemptible.

Fury's a 6'8" professionally trained World Heavyweight Boxing Champion. And he's revelling and taking pride in smacking someone that's borne him children? Someone that he professes to love? That has no way whatsoever of defending herself against him? He prides himself in that? . . . That's ****ed up bull**** of the highest order. That isn't the conduct of a man.

I've defended his puerile comments in the past. I can no longer defend the man. He represents the sport and city that I love. He's fast become a genuine embarrassment to both.

Your comments are right and with morality....and fury wonders why he is slated and ignored by the boxing media and world

[- Ram Raid -]

Another one that writes lengthy comments without checking the source material. He was misquoted and it was taken out of context!

Tyson on EDDIE HEARN (not even joshua): "He's had a lot to say but in real life he wouldn't say that.... because he'd get slapped around the ear and couldn't do nothing about it" "he'd walk away holding his ear like that, because that's what real men do to *****es, we slap em"

Warren to press right after comment: "That's not women, *****es so don't even go there"

Now that you know exactly what was said and I put a little context in there. How do you feel about that? ****** for believing poor written journalism, misquoting him? Wasn't even talking about Joshua FFS.

Lesson: Don't believe everything you read

Not that I'm an avid Daily Mail reader but Jeff Powell is one of the better boxing journalists over here and is usually a credible source. On this occasion it looks like his work has been less then stellar. The same reported quote appeared on Eurosport and the Telegraph who again are usually credible enough as far as journalism goes.

So whilst I readily stand corrected, no is the answer to your strangely churlish toned question, I don't feel ******. I've mearly read the report on here and more credible sites before coming across the video of the press conference.

[taste]

...Rooting for Joshua vs Bermane next to get him some rounds & see how he does...

+1 for this suggestion, love the fight! Would answer many questions about 2 fighters who can crack. I wouldn't expect that fight to go the distance.

[Vinnykin]

Not that I'm an avid Daily Mail reader but Jeff Powell is one of the better boxing journalists over here and is usually a credible source. On this occasion it looks like his work has been less then stellar. The same reported quote appeared on Eurosport and the Telegraph who again are usually credible enough as far as journalism goes.

So whilst I readily stand corrected, no is the answer to your strangely churlish toned question, I don't feel ******. I've mearly read the report on here and more credible sites before coming across the video of the press conference.

I apologise for that. I seen the same thing quoted in the Telegraph and a few other sites. Seems like the usual Copy/Paste job I've seen in the media when it comes to Fury, seems they can't wait to get the big story out there.

I get annoyed when things are taken out of context and have seen so many people online already debating this and saying he's talking about slapping women. I'd already read a few posts and replied in this thread pointing this out. You were number 3 and it annoyed me

Peace

[- Ram Raid -]

I apologise for that. I seen the same thing quoted in the Telegraph and a few other sites. Seems like the usual Copy/Paste job I've seen in the media when it comes to Fury, seems they can't wait to get the big story out there.

I get annoyed when things are taken out of context and have seen so many people online already debating this and saying he's talking about slapping women. I'd already read a few posts and replied in this thread pointing this out. You were number 3 and it annoyed me

Peace

An apology on boxingscene!?! Now you've got me marking you down as a man of character.

I can understand you're frustration. I've skimmed the thread and missed your earlier comments. Had I have seen them I would have given them consideration before posting my own two pennies worth.

It does seem like the tone had been set now as far as reporting on Fury is concerned. He doesn't help himself of course but what he stated and what he was reported to have said have very different connotations. The secondary reporting as you point out is lazy journalism, and from publications that we'd expect better from.

What I now find interesting about the misquote is the context that it's appeared in and what it's followed. John Fury's been discribed as going on a 'rant' for highlighting the racism that he feels his son receives for being a traveller that is then overshadowed by a made up quote attributed to Tyson (who is surely now the worlds most recognisable traveller) on slapping someone, "like we slap our *****es". The 'we' of course being the traveller community.

It's difficult to disagree with his father when a critism of racism is followed directly by a misquote that attributes to travellers a culture that's proud of women beating.

[Vinnykin]

An apology on boxingscene!?! Now you've got me marking you down as a man of character.

I can understand you're frustration. I've skimmed the thread and missed your earlier comments. Had I have seen them I would have given them consideration before posting my own two pennies worth.

It does seem like the tone had been set now as far as reporting on Fury is concerned. He doesn't help himself of course but what he stated and what he was reported to have said have very different connotations. The secondary reporting as you point out is lazy journalism, and from publications that we'd expect better from.

What I now find interesting about the misquote is the context that it's appeared in and what it's followed. John Fury's been discribed as going on a 'rant' for highlighting the racism that he feels his son receives for being a traveller that is then overshadowed by a made up quote attributed to Tyson (who is surely now the worlds most recognisable traveller) on slapping someone, "like we slap our *****es". The 'we' of course being the traveller community.

It's difficult to disagree with his father when a critism of racism is followed directly by a misquote that attributes to travellers a culture that's proud of women beating.

Hey, I often reply to things without considering the other guys view. I'll always admit when I'm wrong and try to be civil. Nearly impossible with some people on here though....

Everything you said there is true apart from the actual quote, which is important for context. He actaully said "Because that's what real men do to *****es, we slap em" this is after talking about slapping hearn. At no point does he say slap him like we do OUR *****es. That implies he would be slapping him like he does his or OUR women. The whole point of contention in my mind. It's a very slight change to a quote that makes it look bad. It's now all over the media and people are buying it.

[- Ram Raid -]

The misquote is quite startling, particularly with it as I said, following a critism of racism. I wouldn't argue that there isn't a problem with domestic violence within the traveller community. Wherever you find a culture with hyper-masculine ideals you tend to find problems with violence towards women. I'm from a working class background and other than my fiancé I'd be hard pressed to find a female in my family that hasn't been assaulted by their partner.

By attributing that quote to Fury it exceptionalises domestic violence as if it's a problem confined to certain backgrounds and not a widespread issue. You can see by the comments on here that travellers recieve a lot of stick. The media have just inflamed that by making up a quote that can be used to beat them with.

[Eff Pandas]

the question is can any heavyweight actually take Joshua's power over a number of rounds....I'm not so sure if they can

I'm POSITIVE he'll find the guy who'll take his punches &/or make him miss. They always do. I've seen this type of muscled up hard punching guy before.

It'll go down much like Tyson vs Douglas & Holyfield or for a more UK friendly example Bruno vs Bonecrusher Smith & Tim Witherspoon. Everyone will lose there **** when it happens too cuz they'll be thinking exactly as you're thinking now. How can anyone have took his punches? They'll do it by giving angles, making him hesitant to waste energy & miss, out jabbing him & he'll start tiring out & he'll eventually get stopped in the 2nd half of the fight probably while still winning on the cards as in 3 of the 4 examples given.

These heavily muscled HW guys rarely get THAT far first off, but when they do they never have long reigns or Floyd or Manny caliber unbeaten streaks when they step up cuz they have extremely un-boxer-like bodies that burn too much energy to contend with too much adversity. Looks nice, but its not conducive to long term success in boxing.

Its like trying to use a Hummer as a long distance means of travel. As long as you just gotta go on 10-100 mile trips that 9 mpg or whatever will get the job done. When you get presented with a 1,000 mile trip you're gonna need to plan those gas stops carefully & keep an eye on E.

[The plunger man]

I'm POSITIVE he'll find the guy who'll take his punches &/or make him miss. They always do. I've seen this type of muscled up hard punching guy before.

It'll go down much like Tyson vs Douglas & Holyfield or for a more UK friendly example Bruno vs Bonecrusher Smith & Tim Witherspoon. Everyone will lose there **** when it happens too cuz they'll be thinking exactly as you're thinking now. How can anyone have took his punches? They'll do it by giving angles, making him hesitant to waste energy & miss, out jabbing him & he'll start tiring out & he'll eventually get stopped in the 2nd half of the fight probably while still winning on the cards as in 3 of the 4 examples given.

These heavily muscled HW guys rarely get THAT far first off, but when they do they never have long reigns or Floyd or Manny caliber unbeaten streaks when they step up cuz they have extremely un-boxer-like bodies that burn too much energy to contend with too much adversity. Looks nice, but its not conducive to long term success in boxing.

Its like trying to use a Hummer as a long distance means of travel. As long as you just gotta go on 10-100 mile trips that 9 mpg or whatever will get the job done. When you get presented with a 1,000 mile trip you're gonna need to plan those gas stops carefully & keep an eye on E.

Look I'm not saying joshua is unbeatable or he can't lose....what I'm saying is he has more than enough in his arsenal to cope with the likes of fury or wilder......everybody loses sooner or later ....styles make fights....but your wrong to just right off joshua as a muscle type kind of fighter because holyfield was also muscle bound...so was norton....I actualy think joshua looked less bulky than he has before and yes he is muscular but so has other fighters over the years ....now if joshua beats fury,wilder,haye and a few others and then loses to some other fighter will you put that down to him being muscle bound or just a fighter that came along and just had his number....all joshua can do is keep winning and if beats all the top heavies then give credit where credit is due...that's all anybody asks