Making weight question

[Reloaded]

People generally don't realize how dangerous weight cutting is when you pass the %10 mark. I've heard stories of dudes having their kidneys shut down due to extreme weight cutting.

Jockeys often loose a lot more % than boxers do to ride in a classic race , its all very scientific these days when its done correctly , a lot of boxers have old school trainers and dont do the weight making right .

Interesting article on Gatti about weight .

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/20/sp...weigh-ins.html

Arturo Gatti conceded yesterday that when he is not in training, his usual weight is ''160 or 165 pounds.''

And after a pause Gatti added, ''Maybe 170 sometimes.''

Gatti has spent a lot of time talking about his weight lately, especially since it appeared he gained 19 pounds -- from 141 to 160 -- in the two days between the weigh-in and a second-round knockout of Joey Gamache on Feb. 26.

Gatti plans to fight on the undercard of the Lennox Lewis-Michael Grant heavyweight championship on April 29, although as of yesterday he did not have an opponent. The scheduled opponent at 147 pounds, Homer Gibbins, was forced to drop out of the fight because of a neck vertebra problem, said Pat Lynch, Gatti's manager. Lynch promised a replacement.

But whoever the opponent, the story for Gatti could easily be his weigh-in. In a move that breaks with recent custom, the weigh-in has been moved by the New York Athletic Commission to the day of the fight at Madison Square Garden. Call it the new Gatti rule, even if day-of-the-fight weigh-ins are a practice that dates in boxing to the 19th century.

After the lopsided Gatti victory over Gamache, in which Gamache was knocked down three times, there were protests that Gatti might never have made the weight limit of 141 pounds set for the bout. Gatti was accused of standing on the scale at the weigh-in barely long enough to have it register any weight.

And HBO, which was televising the fight, brought a standard bathroom scale to Gatti's locker room before he entered the ring, had him stand on it, and then reported in its broadcast that Gatti had weighed 160 pounds. Gamache, who has since retired, reportedly weighed 145 pounds on the evening of the fight.

''I weighed exactly 141 pounds at the weigh-in,'' Gatti said in a conference call with reporters yesterday from his training camp in the Pocono Mountains. ''If somebody had done their research on my other fights since about 1995, they would have seen that I've been making weight and then going to the ring about 15 pounds heavier.

''If I had gotten beat up nobody would have said anything. The problem is, I blew him away in two rounds. He was no opponent for me, that's what caused this.''

Gatti said that after the Feb. 24 weigh-in, he drank three bottles of a sports drink and ate normally. He said the day of the fight he had a substantial breakfast and one other meal. He said he did not take fluids intravenously. He also questioned whether the HBO scale was accurate.

''That was a $9.99 scale from Kmart,'' he said. ''It wasn't even flat on the cement floor. And I had my socks on, too.''

Lynch insisted Gatti made the 141 weight and said he preferred the former system of having the weigh-in two days before the fight. Lewis and Grant, who are under no weight restrictions, will still hold their weigh-in April 27, but all other weight classes will be weighed April 29.

Junior Jones, a featherweight who will fight on the undercard against Paul Ingle of England, the International Boxing Federation champion, did not seem happy about having to weigh in at 8 a.m. when he wouldn't be fighting for at least another 13 hours. But he wasn't sympathetic to Gamache's handlers either.

''If he thought Gatti was too heavy, he should have said something the day of the fight,'' Jones said. ''Talking afterward, that's a poor excuse.''

But Jones did wonder how Gatti gained so much weight so soon. ''You can't just jump 20 pounds in one day,'' he said. ''That's not right. I don't care who you are.''

Gatti had been scheduled to appear at a Madison Square Garden news conference yesterday, but remained at his camp.

''I'm sorry I wasn't there,'' Gatti said in closing yesterday. ''But I've got to train, you know. I've got weight to lose.''

[soul_survivor]

One thing I have never fully understood in boxing is making weight. It's been bugging me for a while so I decided to make an account to ask it.

Firstly, we've seen how Khan is bulking up for his fight against Canelo at 155 lbs, however I read that his natural weight after rehydration is around 155/160 lbs, so why does he need to bulk?

Also, in terms of this GGG-Canelo at 155 lbs story. If GGG gets his weight down to 155 lbs for the weigh-in, then surely he'll just rehydrate back to his natural weight the same way Canelo does, so won't their weights on the night of the fight be the exact same as if they were fighting at 160 lbs like GGG wants to?

Apologies if this sounds unbelievably idiotic, I just feel like I'm missing something here.

Rehydration weight, i.e. the weight put on after the weigh in and before stepping into the ring, is mainly water. It is not muscle and fat. When a guy moves into a division, he must put on muscle and fat, otherwise he wouldn't be as healthy or as strong as he should be.

The GGG example is a good way of explaining it. Currently, GGG weighs in around 160lb for his fights, which is mostly muscle and fat. He would be cutting serious amounts of muscle and fat, necessary for his body, to make 155lb. That's a very dangerous thing to do at times. It also debilitates him as a fighter.

[PulpFriction]

Unfortunately casual fans don't really pay attention to weight and they don't realize how much of a pu55y Canelo truly is. This kid is killing his body each time out but only to gain a big advantage over his opponnents. I find it humorous people actually think he'll fight GGG, like Arum said the other day "That fight will never happen."

[Scipio2009]

One thing I have never fully understood in boxing is making weight. It's been bugging me for a while so I decided to make an account to ask it.

Firstly, we've seen how Khan is bulking up for his fight against Canelo at 155 lbs, however I read that his natural weight after rehydration is around 155/160 lbs, so why does he need to bulk?

Also, in terms of this GGG-Canelo at 155 lbs story. If GGG gets his weight down to 155 lbs for the weigh-in, then surely he'll just rehydrate back to his natural weight the same way Canelo does, so won't their weights on the night of the fight be the exact same as if they were fighting at 160 lbs like GGG wants to?

Apologies if this sounds unbelievably idiotic, I just feel like I'm missing something here.

Khan bulks up because Canelo's natural weight is likely 170-180 and he needs the extra bulk to try and physically compete against the bigger man; change up the body composition, putting some more mass on the frame, to help himself have a chance.

In terms of Golovkin, I think the 155 fiasco is coming up because his camp (Abel Sanchez specifically) talked him up for a weight that he can't actually physically get to; with Golovkin being 34 years old, I have no doubt that Golovkin has timed getting down to 160lbs as a science at this point. Going beyond that, from the hesitance in the talks, is likely to Golovkin's deep detriment.

[deathofaclown]

I wonder how Canelo doesn't seem drained when cutting to 155, he looks huge on the night of the fight and even bigger than GGG in my opinion.

Canelo is young, It's much easier to cut weight in your mid 20's than your mid 30's.

There's always the few exceptions, but in general once you're approaching 30 and in your 30's, it's harder to get the weight off and the last few pounds are a killer, you're dry as a bone when cutting weight and sometimes it seems there's nothing left to come off.

I'm sure GGG could get down to 155, but as a 34 year old man, cutting those final few pounds will have a huge effect on him even after rehydration. It would have just taken so much out of him that he probably couldn't recover in a day.

That's the reason Canelo wants it at 155, he doesn't care what GGG weights in the ring, that will be what it will be, but the fact he knows it will take a lot out of GGG before he even gets to the ring and he won't recover well from it at 34.