Line up your American hopes, AJ will knock them down.

[lopetego]

yeah, yeah

everybody knows all the top american hws are playing in the NBA or NFL

Lebron James was the GOAT hw that never was

[soul_survivor]

This post gave me a good belly laugh.

Thanks more proving me wrong.

Oh wait...

Murica!

[ShoulderRoll]

Deontay Wilder was looking to play football or basketball in college for goodness sake. He proves the point.

The only reason he even got into boxing is that his daughter has spina bifida so he had to stay close to home. Focusing on a boxing career was the best athletic opportunity available to him there.

[BWC]

After watching Anthony dismantle your last great hope, it is very clear that the USA has pretty much nothing left to offer. Deonte? Easy work.

Who could possibly challenge the British empires dominance?

Lol Wilder is a whole different animal then Scrub Martin. Wilder is on a whole other level. Heck we have guys like Jennings, Scott, Gerald Washington, Miller, and Breazale that would do better than Martin. Martin was supposed to lose to Czar and just got lucky..

[MisterPullman]

After watching Anthony dismantle your last great hope, it is very clear that the USA has pretty much nothing left to offer. Deonte? Easy work.

Who could possibly challenge the British empires dominance?

Bahahaha...

If you think Martin is remotely close to Wilder's level you're in for another terrible british misfortune.. David Price, oh man it hurts to even mention his name.

Wilder is a faster, stronger, and smarter fighter compared to Martin by a mile. Joshua is good, but he is not ready for Wilder yet...

[The Gambler1981]

Nothing changed in the 90s between the football/boxing relationship. They coexisted just like European middleweights coexist with football and Russian heavyweights coexist with hockey.

Now what could have possibly changed in the 90s that led to the extinction of US hevayweight champions? Hmmmm... Oh yeah communism collapsed and the outside world was suddenly allowed into professional boxing.

American heavyweights were NEVER good, they just didn't have anyone else to compete with. It's easy to dominate when the total roster of a division is 200 Americans 1 British guy, 1 West German, banned practically everywhere else. That's how it was back then.

From the 60's and 70's to the 90's it sure did. Popularity increases, and expansion in both leagues were huge over that time frame. The NBA was damn near folding in the late 70's but by the 80's with Magic and Bird and then Jordan it became every kids dream where as before it was every kids dream to be heavyweight champ.

You have no clue as to what you are talking about~

[RichCCFC]

Bahahaha...

If you think Martin is remotely close to Wilder's level you're in for another terrible british misfortune.. David Price, oh man it hurts to even mention his name.

Wilder is a faster, stronger, and smarter fighter compared to Martin by a mile. Joshua is good, but he is not ready for Wilder yet...

lmao.. Povetkin is the first test Wilder will have had yet you act like he's a proven , experienced commodity.

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From the 60's and 70's to the 90's it sure did. Popularity increases, and expansion in both leagues were huge over that time frame. The NBA was damn near folding in the late 70's but by the 80's with Magic and Bird and then Jordan it became every kids dream where as before it was every kids dream to be heavyweight champ.

You have no clue as to what you are talking about~

Yes what a "coincidence" that just when professional boxing became legal in communist countries and trainers started scouting south america, US boxers all at once decided they'd rather play football/basketball.

Strangely, every other country is immune to this phenomenon and nobody ever leaves boxing to play soccer, hockey, rugby, etc. Kovalev didn't go to hockey, Canelo isn't a soccer player, etc.

All the ATG American middleweights too. They're all in those 5'9" NBA rosters now (some random like Jacobs would have been a God in the domestic era because he wouldn't have been exposed by a foreigner. NBA has nothing to do with it.).

American heavyweights were never superior to begin with. They looked good because there was nothing else to compare them to. Popularity diminished AFTER they lost all the titles.

Nobody speculates "What if Terry Bradshaw boxed instead of NFL, he would have beaten Ali". Nope. It would sound ridiculous.

That whole line of thought was born overnight, the night communism fell and American boxers were exposed.

Suddenly "Well if Lebron James boxed..." LMFAO.
He would get killed is what would happen.

[ShoulderRoll]

Yes what a "coincidence" that just when professional boxing became legal in other countries, American boxers all at once decided they'd rather play football/basketball.

Strangely, every other country is immune to this phenomenon and nobody ever leaves boxing to play soccer, hockey, rugby, etc.

All the American middleweights too. They're all in those 5'9" NBA rosters now (some random like Jacobs would have been a God in the domestic era because he wouldn't have been exposed by a foreigner. NBA has nothing to do with it.).

NOBODY, not a single soul on the planet believes this hokey theory but a great many pretend they believe it.

American heavyweights were never superior to begin with. They looked good because there was nothing else to compare them to. Popularity diminished AFTER they lost all the titles.

From Wilder's Wikipedia page:

He graduated from Tuscaloosa Central High School in 2004 and dreamed of playing American football (wide receiver) or basketball (forward) for his hometown Alabama Crimson Tide, but the birth of his daughter Naieya (b. 2005), who suffers from a spina bifida and grade issues forced him to attend nearby Shelton State Community College and to focus on a boxing career.[2]


So basically America's current best heavyweight grew up training to be a basketball forward/football wide receiver.

[The Gambler1981]

Yes what a "coincidence" that just when professional boxing became legal in other countries, American boxers all at once decided they'd rather play football/basketball.

Strangely, every other country is immune to this phenomenon and nobody ever leaves boxing to play soccer, hockey, rugby, etc.

NOBODY, not a single soul on the planet believes this hokey theory but a great many pretend they believe it.

American heavyweights were never good. They looked good because there was nothing else to compare them to. Popularity diminished AFTER they lost all the titles to foreigners.

Those guys are not as large as super heavyweight boxers, there is a highly limited supply of those athletes in any country. In almost no cases would such a high quality athlete be pushed into boxing, they would be pushed away and into the NBA or the NFL.

They dominated their peers in the Olympics over the period, which says otherwise. The trend is much longer term in nature Holyfield and Bowe were not inspiring the next generation the way Jordan, Shaq, Barkley did. do you think it is coincidence that Nike's went from being sold out of the back of cars at track meets to being a huge multinational company.

You are putting up a strawman and not looking at the facts. There is some increased competition but that doesn't explain why a guy like Tony Thompson was arguably America's best heavy for years and is not very athletic. It is not a mutually exclusive thing because Europe can produce good athletes and great boxers and America's best large athletes no longer participate.


A great large athlete won't be heavyweight champ unless they want to be heavyweight champ, if that athlete is pushed in a different direction never putting on a pair of gloves that person will not be a boxer they will be something else and will probably succeed because they are the cream of the crop athletically speaking.