Comments Thread For: Roach on Pacquiao-Canelo: Let's See How Khan Does

[Aristocrat]

And the " old version " of Manny is exactly the same as this version, he just throws less punches so cannot overwhelm his opposition.

so you're telling me manny still has the foot speed, power, and ferocity from 2010?? fking LOL. manny can't even move his head for a whole round anymore let alone 12 like he used to

[aboutfkntime]

so you're telling me manny still has the..... foot speed, power, and ferocity from 2010?? fking LOL. manny can't even move his head for a whole round anymore let alone 12 like he used to

foot speed..... yep, I do

Why you didn't mention hand-speed ??

power..... Pac has never been a huge puncher at welter..... but seriously, where do you think his power would go?..... why/how could his power diminish?

ferocity..... that is a state of mind, like that killer instinct waffle

Pac just doesn't throw 1000+ punches anymore..... he is fighting higher level opposition, rather than overwhelming made-to-order guys with volume. And he seems to be a little more cautious since Marquez.

[rrayvez]

foot speed..... yep, I do

Why you didn't mention hand-speed ??

power..... Pac has never been a huge puncher at welter..... but seriously, where do you think his power would go?..... why/how could his power diminish?

ferocity..... that is a state of mind, like that killer instinct waffle

Pac just doesn't throw 1000+ punches anymore..... he is fighting higher level opposition, rather than overwhelming made-to-order guys with volume. And he seems to be a little more cautious since Marquez.

Sorry but anyone with 2 eyes knows that Kay is a diminished fighter. The guy that beat Oscar into submission, flattened Hatton, and made cotto do the chicken dance is no where near the guy that goes 12 rounds with Chris algieri or an injured Bradley. As far as Martin2Martin2, of they didn't take that fight.marrinez would've smashed himhim, but Canelo is Martinez.

[gmc_rfc_06]

Nope.

Canelo manhandles Pac and Roach knows that. No need for that to happen.

[aboutfkntime]

Sorry but anyone with 2 eyes knows that Kay is a diminished fighter. The guy that beat Oscar into submission, flattened Hatton, and made cotto do the chicken dance is no where near the guy that goes 12 rounds with Chris algieri or an injured Bradley. As far as Martin2Martin2, of they didn't take that fight.marrinez would've smashed himhim, but Canelo is Martinez.

Recently (since Marquez)..... I see similar speed/reflexes, and at times Pac's boxing IQ looks higher, yet at times he looks a little more hesitant..... what exactly do you think he's lost?

If you tell me power, then you will need to explain how that could possibly happen..... because, I aint never heard of anything like that before.

Power is the last to go.

Pac has never been a huge puncher at welter, he was overwhelming his opponents with volume/angles..... he threw 1200+ punches vs Clottey FFS, now he just throw's the same 500-600 punches that everyone else throws.

Pac's volume dropped off, that could possibly be due to a drop off in training intensity, not sure..... but that could tie in with some of the stuff you said.

But the real difference is this..... selection/timing.

Boxing is all about matchmaking, it always has been.

Pac has not had the same luxury's toward the end of his career, that he enjoyed in the middle.

Not only are Mayweather/Marquez/Bradley not great style match-ups for Pac, they were on top of their game when they fought Pacquiao...... that makes a HUGE difference, not a lot of fans understand that, they just see the name.

Hoya/Hatton/Cotto/Mosley were NOT on top of their game when they fought Pacquiao..... nobody can deny that..... but Mayweather/Bradley, and to a lesser extent Marquez..... were!

Pac has been exposed to a higher level of comp, and his punch output and stamina seem to have visibly decreased..... that's what I see.

[Reloaded]

Sorry but anyone with 2 eyes knows that Kay is a diminished fighter. The guy that beat Oscar into submission, flattened Hatton, and made cotto do the chicken dance is no where near the guy that goes 12 rounds with Chris algieri or an injured Bradley. As far as Martin2Martin2, of they didn't take that fight.marrinez would've smashed himhim, but Canelo is Martinez.

CWs and shot fighters , do you understand Oscar was a dried out prune with nothing and the worst case of dehydrated fighter in history .

Compare the weights and fighters previous few fights before fighting Manny the answers to the terminator Manny and Manny that cannot stop JW fighters is right in front of your face , for crying out loud listen to the commentary of the Oscar fight all they were saying is Oscar is looking like a shadow of his self they mention weight all through the fight .

154 Oscar the one Floyd fought would stop Manny .

[icha]

CWs and shot fighters , do you understand Oscar was a dried out prune with nothing and the worst case of dehydrated fighter in history .

Compare the weights and fighters previous few fights before fighting Manny the answers to the terminator Manny and Manny that cannot stop JW fighters is right in front of your face , for crying out loud listen to the commentary of the Oscar fight all they were saying is Oscar is looking like a shadow of his self they mention weight all through the fight .

154 Oscar the one Floyd fought would stop Manny .

agree 100%, even know that oscar was way past his prime when he fought floyd, but even that oscar would have beaten or outboxed manny...