Comments Thread For: Arum wants to showcase Top Rank's Eastern Euro prospects on ShoBox

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

What happened with Tru tv?

LMAO we will never know since it isnt PBC

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

Hopefully he hasn't burned the bridge...

Too bad He has.

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

drop the lawsuit first you snake

[Eff Pandas]

With his relationship with Peter Nelson he might be better off working with Showtime. Seems like he's getting passed over a bit with his up & coming guys. Showtime gots a ways to go to fully compete with HBO with viewers doe.

[Scipio2009]

What happened with Tru tv?

Turner pulled the plug after Top Rank honey****ed them with nonsense matchups that didn't move the needle.

[Scipio2009]

Makes absolutely no sense for them and Golden Boy to exclusively do business with HBO. They have top prospects who aren't spanish speaking and they need to do a much better job of getting them air time.

Like Golden Boy or Top Rank have a choice in the matter; after getting screwed on deals for Pacquiao and Alvarez, why would Espinoza raise a finger to save either company, especially with the boxing business that they've been able to build without them?

[LOCOMEX89]

Like Golden Boy or Top Rank have a choice in the matter; after getting screwed on deals for Pacquiao and Alvarez, why would Espinoza raise a finger to save either company, especially with the boxing business that they've been able to build without them?

Simple answer. Ratings. While they have invested into boxing and finally have got elite matches coming up, that are still getting bested by HBO in ratings. Let's call it what it is Espinoza has not done a good job in that department.

Golden Boy and Top Rank need to mend those fences and find a way to showcase more of their talent. But I get where your coming from. Right now Top Rank is hurting and trying to figure out their next move. Golden Boy is doing good but can keep adding to what they have by putting their fighters on Showtime.

[Scipio2009]

Simple answer. Ratings. While they have invested into boxing and finally have got elite matches coming up, that are still getting bested by HBO in ratings. Let's call it what it is Espinoza has not done a good job in that department.

Golden Boy and Top Rank need to mend those fences and find a way to showcase more of their talent. But I get where your coming from. Right now Top Rank is hurting and trying to figure out their next move. Golden Boy is doing good but can keep adding to what they have by putting their fighters on Showtime.

Showcasing Euro prospects will do nothing to move "ratings", especially with Arum, in even setting up this conversation, isn't offering anything more than his Eastern European prospects (whom HBO has no interest in airing); it's not like Arum is offering Verdejo/Valdez/Ramirez to Showtime for ShoBox.

Objectively speaking, you can't honestly look at what Espinoza's been able to build on Showtime and say he hasn't done a good job:

-ShoBox has been putting on good competitive and exciting fights for the better part of the last 4 years at this point (likely longer depending on how far you want to go).

-With Wilder (and now seemingly Joshua) in the fold, and the type of energy that comes with having him in the fold, Showtime, for at least the next few years, will be THE platform for heavyweight boxing.

-With HBO continuing to commit less and less money to boxing, Showtime/CBS, backing the Haymon effort, is on the cusp of being "the premier home of boxing".

-Espinoza commiting to Showtime International (and pairing shows with the broadcasts whenever possible) opens up the budding international fight scene to more US fight fans.

Golden Boy and Top Rank, objectively speaking, are seemingly in a rough spot now (especially with HBO's budget being what it is); if Top Rank simply purchased Golden Boy (Bob Arum steps aside, Oscar stands as the public face, Todd DuBoef runs the day-to-day, Trampler/Morretti/Gomez are the chief deputies, etc), things would be less tenuous [combined company would have Alvarez(PPV), Bradley, Crawford, and Vargas as the current top fighters, with 7-10 top-flight prospects (depending on your perspective) being developed underneath it all, and a decent number of solid fighters to build the plausible stars off of in-house].

Showtime has more than enough fights with their current situation (Haymon/Banner Promotions/Showtime International/ShoBox) to not bother with bending much elsewhere.

[HeroBando]

Showcasing Euro prospects will do nothing to move "ratings", especially with Arum, in even setting up this conversation, isn't offering anything more than his Eastern European prospects (whom HBO has no interest in airing); it's not like Arum is offering Verdejo/Valdez/Ramirez to Showtime for ShoBox.

Objectively speaking, you can't honestly look at what Espinoza's been able to build on Showtime and say he hasn't done a good job:

-ShoBox has been putting on good competitive and exciting fights for the better part of the last 4 years at this point (likely longer depending on how far you want to go).

-With Wilder (and now seemingly Joshua) in the fold, and the type of energy that comes with having him in the fold, Showtime, for at least the next few years, will be THE platform for heavyweight boxing.

-With HBO continuing to commit less and less money to boxing, Showtime/CBS, backing the Haymon effort, is on the cusp of being "the premier home of boxing".

-Espinoza commiting to Showtime International (and pairing shows with the broadcasts whenever possible) opens up the budding international fight scene to more US fight fans.

Golden Boy and Top Rank, objectively speaking, are seemingly in a rough spot now (especially with HBO's budget being what it is); if Top Rank simply purchased Golden Boy (Bob Arum steps aside, Oscar stands as the public face, Todd DuBoef runs the day-to-day, Trampler/Morretti/Gomez are the chief deputies, etc), things would be less tenuous [combined company would have Alvarez(PPV), Bradley, Crawford, and Vargas as the current top fighters, with 7-10 top-flight prospects (depending on your perspective) being developed underneath it all, and a decent number of solid fighters to build the plausible stars off of in-house].

Showtime has more than enough fights with their current situation (Haymon/Banner Promotions/Showtime International/ShoBox) to not bother with bending much elsewhere.

But if all that's worth is Fnf ratings for 100x the cost, it's not much of a victory. As a fan of course I hope they're committed to losing as much money as possible on the sport

[Scipio2009]

But if all that's worth is Fnf ratings for 100x the cost, it's not much of a victory. As a fan of course I hope they're committed to losing as much money as possible on the sport

It's a long game, regardless of how you want to take your shot; with HBO's boxing business going the way it is (If Ward beats Kovalev and walks, things turn dark real quick for HBO), Haymon having his 200+ fighters with him (in addition to the fighters from promotional outfits that do business with Haymon), and Showtime continuing to build its' own other relationships (the newest of which being bringing Banner Promotions into the fold, Showtime is well in position to be the best stage for boxing for the near/midterm future.

You start the path from the ~$250m bet on bringing in Floyd Mayweather Jr, and you see things unfold rather smoothly; Showtime/CBS is making a significant bet on the boxing business not going belly-up anytime soon (whether it be investing in the stacked cards from Golden Boy, staging multiple shows around determining who would end up fighting Floyd, taking the leap to bring in Adonis Stevenson to stage a fight for Bernard Hopkins, or sticking with the plan when Oscar jumped ship).

Anthony Joshua is making his US TV debut this weekend, Deontay Wilder is fighting in May, Danny "Swift" Garcia is likely fighting again come this summer, Thurman-Porter is being carried on Showtime's parent CBS, and there are already big showdowns being set up for the Summer/Fall (Frampton-Santa Cruz and the likely Degale-Jack being the first two confirmed).

Showtime/CBS was on the hook for ~$250m for the Floyd deal and, over the course of the 6 fights, covered that and even made money on top of that; and that's before counting the revenues that they made on all of the support shows to Floyd's fights (Broner-Maidana, leading to the two Mayweather-Maidana fights, being the clearest example but Alexander-Porter and Porter-Brook also fitting that image).

2015, and likely 2016 (from a boxing budget perspective) are likely entirely financed by Showtime's take on the Mayweather fights (Showtime's share of the Pacquiao fight, the Alvarez fight, the two Maidana fights, the Guerrero fight, and the Berto fight, in total, likely did $700m in total PPV business; based on how the deal was set up, that could mean $60m heading to Showtime). Any money made on the 2015/2016 schedule (likely primarily due to selling the broadcasting rights to shows international), could easily get rolled over into a 2017 boxing budget.

"losing as much money as possible on the sport" based on what? Showtime hasn't aired a PPV since Mayweather's last fight September 2015 (and won't even likely consider putting on another PPV until possibly Wilder-Fury to close out 2016; only other fight MIGHT be Stevenson-Kovalev, though I'd imagine that Showtime would just put up the share of the budget required to air the fight on just the channel).

use some logic.