GGG will lose

[soul_survivor]

Way to go out on a limb with that prediction. 99.99999% of fighters lose in their career.

what I was about to say lol

[Redd Foxx]

i don't know about that, his at this time is too aggressive, eventually something will have to give. But like some other poster said if he changes his style when he does fight stronger opposition then he might go undefeated for ever or at least as long as he retires before he shows considerable decline. Either way i can't recall many fighters who were this aggressive and stayed undefeated their entire careers.

Don't let it fool you. He's got a very controlled aggression. GGG is always on-balance, doesn't head-hunt, doesn't force a KO like notoriously wreckless KO artists. He's very cautious at first and when he sees openings, he applies great power. Once they feel that, it discourages their offense and puts GGG in the position of hunting, forcing the opponent on the back-foot. At that point, that lack of talent in the opposition causes them to become punching bags. Given B and C level opposition, it seems unlikely to me that he "gets caught" one day because he's not reckless.

Now, where he runs into trouble is facing a guy who is hard to hit or who can apply accurate shots back at him. There's no one like that at 160 and if his feet are planted firmly at 160, he isn't losing anytime soon.

[El-blanco]

Way to go out on a limb with that prediction. 99.99999% of fighters lose in their career.

Lol beat me to it.

[_Maxi]

Don't let it fool you. He's got a very controlled aggression. GGG is always on-balance, doesn't head-hunt, doesn't force a KO like notoriously wreckless KO artists. He's very cautious at first and when he sees openings, he applies great power. Once they feel that, it discourages their offense and puts GGG in the position of hunting, forcing the opponent on the back-foot. At that point, that lack of talent in the opposition causes them to become punching bags. Given B and C level opposition, it seems unlikely to me that he "gets caught" one day because he's not reckless.

Now, where he runs into trouble is facing a guy who is hard to hit or who can apply accurate shots back at him. There's no one like that at 160 and if his feet are planted firmly at 160, he isn't losing anytime soon.

I kind of agree... but please answer this:

Why is he facing B and C level oposition?

Possible answers:

1) Because the entire MW division sucks.
2) Because he's not willing to move up or down.

If it's option 1. There's no way an entire division can suck. There's people campaigning at MW that don't suck. They just know they would lose and by KO, so they don't wanna fight him. Include here Canelo, BJS, Jacobs, and some more that don't suck.

And option 2... he already stated he would go down or up only for big money. Which is something he will have to change soon if he wants more money.

[b00g13man]

Christ! What a ****ing moron.

[killakali]

GGG will lose, no one with his style ever won indefinitely and retired undefeated. So enjoy his style and fights while they last... his publicity and level of entertainment help the sport of boxing. especially when he moves up in weight...

99% of fighters regardless of styles lose eventually and usually multiple times. I don't get the point of this post

[Redd Foxx]

I kind of agree... but please answer this:

Why is he facing B and C level oposition?

Possible answers:

1) Because the entire MW division sucks.
2) Because he's not willing to move up or down.

If it's option 1. There's no way an entire division can suck. There's people campaigning at MW that don't suck. They just know they would lose and by KO, so they don't wanna fight him. Include here Canelo, BJS, Jacobs, and some more that don't suck.

And option 2... he already stated he would go down or up only for big money. Which is something he will have to change soon if he wants more money.

1) Yes
2) Yes

I used to think there's no way an entire division can suck but looking at boxing history, it's hard to avoid the fact that divisions can be weak for several years at a time. Look at the lull in HW and it wasn't Tyson Fury that changed that, it was the entire landscape changing in that division.
168 was THICK for a while, now it's terrible. 160 is ripe for the picking and GGG is head and shoulders above the current crop.

Yea, the more money thing is pretty much established. Some fans are still arguing about that one but I think most have come to terms with the fact that he's not budging unless the financial incentive is big enough. It goes against the "warrior" image (which never impressed me anyway but his fans dig it) but I think it's an intelligent move on his part. I'd LOVE to see him go after the glory but it is what it is...

[j0zef]

1) Yes
2) Yes

I used to think there's no way an entire division can suck but looking at boxing history, it's hard to avoid the fact that divisions can be weak for several years at a time. Look at the lull in HW and it wasn't Tyson Fury that changed that, it was the entire landscape changing in that division.
168 was THICK for a while, now it's terrible. 160 is ripe for the picking and GGG is head and shoulders above the current crop.

Yea, the more money thing is pretty much established. Some fans are still arguing about that one but I think most have come to terms with the fact that he's not budging unless the financial incentive is big enough. It goes against the "warrior" image (which never impressed me anyway but his fans dig it) but I think it's an intelligent move on his part. I'd LOVE to see him go after the glory but it is what it is...

Eh, I wouldn't agree with that.

The 168 division was seen as trash after Calzaghe left. The Super Six brought excitement back and changed the perception.

HW hasn't changed as a division. It's still heavily devoid of talent - there are just more matches happening. Martin is a nobody who has a belt, Povetkin and Ortiz are 36 - they didn't just magically appear. Wilder's been fighting bums for years, he's also over 30. AJ is an unproven bodybuilder. If Wlad was 35 and not 40, he would have decisioned all of these guys and HW would still be thought of as boring.

Same thing for MW - if there was a Super Six of GG, Canelo, Jacobs, BJS and 2 out of Lee/Quillin/Eubank/Lemieux/Cotto?, it wouldn't be seen as a 'weak' division.

[Redd Foxx]

Eh, I wouldn't agree with that.

The 168 division was seen as trash after Calzaghe left. The Super Six brought excitement back and changed the perception.

HW hasn't changed as a division. It's still heavily devoid of talent - there are just more matches happening. Martin is a nobody who has a belt, Povetkin and Ortiz are 36 - they didn't just magically appear. Wilder's been fighting bums for years, he's also over 30. AJ is an unproven bodybuilder. If Wlad was 35 and not 40, he would have decisioned all of these guys and HW would still be thought of as boring.

Same thing for MW - if there was a Super Six of GG, Canelo, Jacobs, BJS and 2 out of Lee/Quillin/Eubank/Lemieux/Cotto?, it wouldn't be seen as a 'weak' division.

"Perception"?? Ward, Froch, Kessler, and a bunch of others when they were in their primes, all going at it. You're dismissing that as "trash"? I shouldn't bother getting into the HW div then... I suppose you think Wilder, Fury, Ortiz, Joshua all lose to the fat boys we had filling up the HW div 5 years ago?

Canelo and Cotto are not going up and guys like Lemieux, Quillen, Eubank, Lee should not ever be compared to the SMW Super 6, ever, IMO.

All respects to your opinion being your opinion but those are arguments that are really fking hard to justify.

[Citizen Koba]

Eh, I wouldn't agree with that.

The 168 division was seen as trash after Calzaghe left. The Super Six brought excitement back and changed the perception.

HW hasn't changed as a division. It's still heavily devoid of talent - there are just more matches happening. Martin is a nobody who has a belt, Povetkin and Ortiz are 36 - they didn't just magically appear. Wilder's been fighting bums for years, he's also over 30. AJ is an unproven bodybuilder. If Wlad was 35 and not 40, he would have decisioned all of these guys and HW would still be thought of as boring.

Same thing for MW - if there was a Super Six of GG, Canelo, Jacobs, BJS and 2 out of Lee/Quillin/Eubank/Lemieux/Cotto?, it wouldn't be seen as a 'weak' division.

TBH every division in boxing would benefit from a Super Six type tourney - might actually go a ways towards rebuilding some kinda of broader fanbase and remove some of the tarnish from the sports reputation too.

EDIT: Oh yeah, the thread title... Yeah. Barring freak accidents GGG prolly ain't losing to any of the current MW crop. If he decides to try his luck at SMW we'll have to wait and see but I'd give him a very good chance against anyone there too. And if he loses he loses - it simply means he challenged himself (or perhaps that he's not as good as I thought) which in my book is a good thing - though course I ain't the one who has to pay his kid through college.