Ward gets paid more than every PBC fighter there is.

[PKing]

Anyone got any concrete numbers or estimates on how much HBO boxing is making or losing for HBO? I'd assume you'd need to come up with a formula how many HBO subscribers are sticking around due to HBO boxing. I've always figured HBO boxing was losing money with their dwindling budget year after year, but maybe HBO is just dropping the budget for other reasons like to focus on creating shows.

If you take HBO's boxing budget in 2016 ($24 million) and use that to produce an original series that makes $200 million via ratings, syndication etc. and boxing makes them $50 million... that means HBO is actually losing $150 million a year on boxing.

That's pretty bad lol

[TAZ-G]

What is your point? Who cares how much he gets paid? He earned the right to get paid $1.8 million by beating the best fighters in and around his weight class.

The fact that Ward is being paid $1.8 million is a definitive statement on why Kovalev should change promoters. Kovalev has never been paid this much for fighting much better fighters than Barerra.

Kovalev got paid 2.5mil for the first fight with Pascal lol.

[Eastcoast]

If you take HBO's boxing budget in 2016 ($24 million) and use that to produce an original series that makes $200 million via ratings, syndication etc. and boxing makes them $50 million... that means HBO is actually losing $150 million a year on boxing.

That's pretty bad lol

As a network, you need to diversify your portfolio. A successful series is rare, and generally only has a lifespan on 3-8 years. Boxing is a low earner, but consistent and long lived.

[Eastcoast]

Kovalev got paid 2.5mil for the first fight with Pascal lol.

Yeah but that had Canadian ppv and an actual gate to support the fight.

[AddiX]

Anyone got any concrete numbers or estimates on how much HBO boxing is making or losing for HBO? I'd assume you'd need to come up with a formula how many HBO subscribers are sticking around due to HBO boxing. I've always figured HBO boxing was losing money with their dwindling budget year after year, but maybe HBO is just dropping the budget for other reasons like to focus on creating shows.

You don't really need a formula, viewership = subscribers.

Subscribers = $

And in Wards case, hbo is betting on a future ppv event.

As for PBC, no long term sponsorship deals, no long term tv deals, almost all expenses are out of pocket.

There's really no comparing the 2. One has a proven business plan that has been profitable, one is basically burning $ with no positive results to show for it.

[FrankieBruno]

Its easy to overpay a fighter when you only have one fighter

Rocnation's whole future rests on Ward

[Eff Pandas]

You don't really need a formula, viewership = subscribers.

Subscribers = $

And in Wards case, hbo is betting on a future ppv event.

Yea but surely in theory one coud come up with some $ value each viewer for a HBO boxing show & ultimately each fighter represents. And the PPV pie is getting split with the provider, promoter & fighter taking their piece so its not like its all HBO's money. There is probably a lot of figures & math involved in coming up with a figure that represents HBO's profit or loss each year, but its there. And like I said I gotta believe HBO boxing is losing money year in & year out just cuz of their shrinking bankroll year after year. It just doesn't seem to me that the budget would go from $120M to under $30 over the last couple decades if they were making HBO money.

[CaneloMaidana]

Name one PBC fighter who makes more than Andre Wards $1.85 million tomorrow.

Who overpays now?

Degeale made 2 million for Bute you moron.

[CaneloMaidana]

kovalev made 3 million to fight pascal. still think he shou switch promoters?

Kovalev did not make 3 million. I heard he made 750k.

[AddiX]

Yea but surely in theory one coud come up with some $ value each viewer for a HBO boxing show & ultimately each fighter represents. And the PPV pie is getting split with the provider, promoter & fighter taking their piece so its not like its all HBO's money. There is probably a lot of figures & math involved in coming up with a figure that represents HBO's profit or loss each year, but its there. And like I said I gotta believe HBO boxing is losing money year in & year out just cuz of their shrinking bankroll year after year. It just doesn't seem to me that the budget would go from $120M to under $30 over the last couple decades if they were making HBO money.

Well there's less Interest and less boxing stars in the sport today.

A lot of HBO's financial gain was through ppv. Without the stars the budget is going to drop. If you give them guys they think can be the next Pacquiao or next Floyd, they'll raise there budget.

Quite frankly I don't Kniw how any if these promoters, or networks are going to operate without having big ppv number stars. It's first time we have seen this kind of situation.

But hbo clearly knows which fighters they are sticking with, and that's what there budget is designed for. Those fighters and thats it.