Can't find online oddmakers for Ward vs Barrera...

[daggum]

If you're happy with Murray being his best win that's on you. Murray just fought Abraham to an even fight.

And I'm well aware of Golovkin's position. It's not fair.

But it's a matter of do you want to see him top tier opposition in his prime or not? That's our only disagreement.

You're content with his career, I want better fights. And to get those better fights, he needs to budge.

yea murray should have been lineal champ and just fought the #1 guy at 168 in an even fight. ggg completely destroyed him so why are you pretendign that murray sucks? could kessler or froch move up and fight the #1 guy at 175 to an even fight? no. or i could make the argument that 168 was super weak when ward was there. it was a transitional period between calzaghe and now. ward beat the best of a weak division cong****. a bunch of guys that before fighting each otehr weren't considered good at all but after the tournament omg what a resume! lmao

i want him to fight top guys. canelo is a top guy. if canelo doesn't fight him in september then yes he should take the belt, make an attempt to fight saunders or jacobs then move up if there are bigger fights there which there arent at the moment.

he already has budged more than almost any boxer. he came from kazakhstan to become popular in the usa. he not only had to be good but had to be exciting. he didn't get free fights when he turned pro, he didn't have a tournament rigged in his favor. he has constantly tried to get the best in the ring with him across 2 different divisions. could he have done a little more than that? sure but thats a pretty high standard.

[MDPopescu]

... Meanwhile, the thread was about Ward fight not being quoted by the bookies -- wait! I got a Turkish link which doesn't open.

[HeroBando]

Golovkins side wanted 50-50 you fool.

Why would they want that vs lesser draw? You mean they were willing to do 50/50 with the same weight concession split?

[-PBP-]

yea murray should have been lineal champ and just fought the #1 guy at 168 in an even fight. ggg completely destroyed him so why are you pretendign that murray sucks? could kessler or froch move up and fight the #1 guy at 175 to an even fight? no. or i could make the argument that 168 was super weak when ward was there. it was a transitional period between calzaghe and now. ward beat the best of a weak division cong****. a bunch of guys that before fighting each otehr weren't considered good at all but after the tournament omg what a resume! lmao

i want him to fight top guys. canelo is a top guy. if canelo doesn't fight him in september then yes he should take the belt, make an attempt to fight saunders or jacobs then move up if there are bigger fights there which there arent at the moment.

he already has budged more than almost any boxer. he came from kazakhstan to become popular in the usa. he not only had to be good but had to be exciting. he didn't get free fights when he turned pro, he didn't have a tournament rigged in his favor. he has constantly tried to get the best in the ring with him across 2 different divisions. could he have done a little more than that? sure but thats a pretty high standard.

Murray is a good fighter. I scored him over Martinez but I wouldn't call it a robbery. But Ward wouldn't be highly regarded if Abraham and Bika were his best wins. We'd demand more. He beat Froch and Kessler and we still demand more so imagine if he didn't have those names on his resume.

Like I said, one of us is content, the other wants to see more, even if that means moving up a division. Jacobs and Saunders are fairy tales dude. You already know this. Let's at least keep it realistic.

[Robbie Barrett]

Why would they want that vs lesser draw? You mean they were willing to do 50/50 with the same weight concession split?

Why would he need a concession from Ward but not others? Because Ward is too good.

[HeroBando]

Why would he need a concession from Ward but not others? Because Ward is too good.

Because the others were A siders. You make concessions if you want those fights, someone remind Ward. Wait, he was gonna go down to 160 for Floyd. Guess 164 Ggg is just too much

[Redd Foxx]

Because the others were A siders. You make concessions if you want those fights, someone remind Ward. Wait, he was gonna go down to 160 for Floyd. Guess 164 Ggg is just too much

Andre's problem isn't weight, it's that he's not over 50 years old and he's not retired. Golovkin has no problem meeting those guys at 168. This A-side lie isn't fooling anyone. More people would pay for Ward v Golovkin today than ggg vs retired Froch or old man Hopkins.

[Robbie Barrett]

Because the others were A siders. You make concessions if you want those fights, someone remind Ward. Wait, he was gonna go down to 160 for Floyd. Guess 164 Ggg is just too much

Sounds like the Canelo-Little G situation, oh how i love hypocrites.

[SplitSecond]

Andre's problem isn't weight, it's that he's not over 50 years old and he's not retired. Golovkin has no problem meeting those guys at 168. This A-side lie isn't fooling anyone. More people would pay for Ward v Golovkin today than ggg vs retired Froch or old man Hopkins.

Froch and Chavez a big draws, big fights. Ward isn't/wasn't. Why are we pretending?

Would Mayweather move up to 154 to fight Lara? Some fans were asking for that also.

He said yes to fighting Ward when Ward was at his peak, but now he's somehow afraid. When Canelo just stepped into his yard, and his setting himself up for that oh but apparently Ward "we didn't know he had a fight coming up" when the Lemieux fight done.

[HeroBando]

Sounds like the Canelo-Little G situation, oh how i love hypocrites.

Fortunately there's the mando. We all know this fight is not happening soon without that and the threat of strippage. And once again thicko, Loeffler said they're open to a CW if Canelo vacates. Have you looked up "hypocrisy" yet, flo mo?