Upcoming PPV schedule

[Mitchell Kane]

And you can't just look at the HBO schedule vs the SHO schedule. Because really, it's HBO vs SHO/FOX/CBS/NBC/ESPN/FS1/Spike/etc.

If Haymon and his partners can edge HBO out of the business eventually, or greatly marginalize them, it would be a great thing for boxing fans. Being a boxing fan would be less expensive than it's been in decades and most if not all of the top fights would be able to be made.

So it's your assumption that all those networks (SHO/FOX/CBS/NBC/ESPN/FS1/Spike/etc.) will go into long term deals with Haymon/PBC?

[original zero]

So it's your assumption that all those networks (SHO/FOX/CBS/NBC/ESPN/FS1/Spike/etc.) will go into long term deals with Haymon/PBC?

No. I believe Haymon will angle to cut a deal with one or two of the major en****** (Viacom/Disney/Universal/Fox).

But it's illogical to simply judge HBO vs SHO when analyzing how much control Haymon is accumulating in the sport. The comparison has to be HBO vs SHO/FOX/CBS/NBC/ESPN/FS1/Spike since Haymon's fights are currently being spread across those networks and those networks, for the most part, are primarily doing business with Haymon's alliance.

It's clear Haymon's goal is to leave all non-Haymon promoters stranded on the HBO island, eventually starving to death as HBO's budget continues to shrink.

HBO's boxing budget is now 20-25 million. Even if Haymon had remained as the primary talent source for HBO, his fighters, at best, would be getting maybe $15 million of that.

Instead, he's managed to control nearly all of SHO's $30 million budget while attempting to also create a network deal for his fighters as well. If, just as an example, he's able to land a $30 million deal with FOX for PBC fights while keeping Showtime's $30 million as well, that's $60 million compared to the $15 million available from HBO.

And those are very very conservative estimates. I personally believe he'll manage to get more than $30 million for his network deal when the time buys are up.

But either way, there is no doubt that there was no way to grow the pie by sticking with HBO. Their pie was shrinking and he had to share the slices.

So when people think he's "wasting" $400 million by investing in the sport, what they fail to realize is that if he can significantly grow the pie, it will be well worth it.

And as the first guy to come along in decades that was willing to invest in the sport to try to grow the pie, it's incredible the way he is demonized here. He's trying to make boxing mainstream again, get it off of PPV and back on free TV. He should be treated as a hero and instead he's treated as a villain. It's bizarre.

[Eff Pandas]

And you can't just look at the HBO schedule vs the SHO schedule. Because really, it's HBO vs SHO/FOX/CBS/NBC/ESPN/FS1/Spike/etc.

Of course you can compare HBO vs Showtime. No question Showtime is heavily influenced by Haymon/PBC right now (& perhaps will be for awhile), but you can still look at it from purely a HBO vs Showtime stance.

[Eff Pandas]

And as the first guy to come along in decades that was willing to invest in the sport to try to grow the pie, it's incredible the way he is demonized here. He's trying to make boxing mainstream again, get it off of PPV and back on free TV. He should be treated as a hero and instead he's treated as a villain. It's bizarre.

Not really. Boxing fans aren't the most progressive or innovative sports fans lets be honest. Show me the last new thing someone in boxing did that was applauded by fans...I'll wait lol.

Ultimately it doesn't matter. If PBC fails it fails. If PBC succeeds these same guys who are dogging PBC & Haymon now will be hyping it cuz PBC will than be the status quo & to them the status quo is what they want. I mean I've been in arguments with some grumpy old boxing fans around here telling me how great having 4 champions are ffs.

[Mitchell Kane]

No. I believe Haymon will angle to cut a deal with one or two of the major en****** (Viacom/Disney/Universal/Fox).

If you believe that Haymon will cut one or two deals, then the HBO v. SHO/FOX/CBS/NBC/ESPN/FS1/Spike, etc. dichotomy that Haymon has set up isn't going to be around all that much longer.

At the point when these time buys end, it's certainly possible that some of the current PBC networks could be open to other promoters.

Top Rank and Golden Boy both have the capability to produce their own shows and as long as they still put fights on HBO/HBO PPV and Spanish language television networks they probably don't need to seek the same kind of money Haymon is looking for out of a TV network.

What both need is a middle option between Spanish TV and HBO/HBO PPV, and they'll both likely be talking to networks, trying to either get a TV deal of their own or at least TV dates.

[original zero]

Of course you can compare HBO vs Showtime. No question Showtime is heavily influenced by Haymon/PBC right now (& perhaps will be for awhile), but you can still look at it from purely a HBO vs Showtime stance.

Haymon is trying to take over the sport and run HBO boxing out of business.

When comparing who has the momentum and who is gaining power, what sense does it make to compare TR+GB+ME+K2 to just a fraction of Haymon's output? It's silly. It's a rigged comparison intended to make HBO look better. Plain and simple.

[original zero]

hhaahah you guys are ridiculous.

first it's that haymon won't be able to get anybody to pay.

now suddenly it becomes that everybody is going to want to pay and haymon won't be able to satisfy them all so his plan will backfire and cause his competitors to land major network deals.

uhhhhhh, righttttttt

[Eff Pandas]

Haymon is trying to take over the sport and run HBO boxing out of business.

When comparing who has the momentum and who is gaining power, what sense does it make to compare TR+GB+ME+K2 to just a fraction of Haymon's output? It's silly. It's a rigged comparison intended to make HBO look better. Plain and simple.

I just don't know what one thing has to do with the other I guess. I'm not trying to dog HBO or make HBO look better. I'm just saying Showtime's known schedule seems better than HBO's known schedule right now. Its not THAT serious.

Plus if Haymon fail or succeeds with PBC its very possible his roster could have a long term positive relationship with Showtime therefore making Showtime a better product.

In fact with the toughness in creating a NFL of boxing & how long that will take the better bet to make today is that Showtime boxing is helped out by their relationship with Haymon than Haymon takes over boxing. Hell I don't even think we know Haymon's plan tbqh anyway. Maybe Showtime is in his long term plans & Showtime becomes what HBO is now, but with guys being built up & becoming more popular with free TV & then throwing them on Showtime for their bigger/biggest fights. That is what is kinda happening right now it would appear. So if Haymon's goal is free TV 100% than that would mean he's a natural enemy to HBO, Showtime & either networks PPV arm & at some point heads are gonna clash with Showtime & Showtime would be either a willing party to their own demise or willing to risk their own demise on the bet that PBC fails right now today.

The whole thing is interesting I will say & I'm still curious as to how it all works out regardless, but I mainly don't see the problem with looking at HBO & Showtime schedule-wise even if PBC/Haymon has influence with that.

[aldo5408]

I just don't know what one thing has to do with the other I guess. I'm not trying to dog HBO or make HBO look better. I'm just saying Showtime's known schedule seems better than HBO's known schedule right now. Its not THAT serious.

Plus if Haymon fail or succeeds with PBC its very possible his roster could have a long term positive relationship with Showtime therefore making Showtime a better product.

In fact with the toughness in creating a NFL of boxing & how long that will take the better bet to make today is that Showtime boxing is helped out by their relationship with Haymon than Haymon takes over boxing. Hell I don't even think we know Haymon's plan tbqh anyway. Maybe Showtime is in his long term plans & Showtime becomes what HBO is now, but with guys being built up & becoming more popular with free TV & then throwing them on Showtime for their bigger/biggest fights. That is what is kinda happening right now it would appear. So if Haymon's goal is free TV 100% than that would mean he's a natural enemy to HBO, Showtime & either networks PPV arm & at some point heads are gonna clash with Showtime & Showtime would be either a willing party to their own demise or willing to risk their own demise on the bet that PBC fails right now today.

The whole thing is interesting I will say & I'm still curious as to how it all works out regardless, but I mainly don't see the problem with looking at HBO & Showtime schedule-wise even if PBC/Haymon has influence with that.

I agree......

[soul_survivor]

You're right, Ward has no interest in ever fighting Kovalev. He just signed a contract to fight him and HBO is targeting Nov. 19. If Ward were serious about fighting Kovalev, he never would have signed a contract to fight him.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/p...-cottos-return

We'll see, it's as simple as that.