Is Emmanuel Steward that good?

[JDizzle79]

Emanuel Steward has a long history of teaching tall boxers to do nothing except tie up inside going way back to the early days of the Kronk gym in Detroit, which I think ruins fights, taking much of the entertainment value out of them, and frustrating boxing fans if they're anything like me. I like guys who do at least a bit of inside fighting, although I respect good outside boxing too. The problem with most of Steward's tall fighters is that they do nothing other than hold on the inside. It can't be a coincidence. Manny must be teaching them to fight that way. Maybe Manny's a good trainer in other ways, but from my point of view this is unforgiveable. Maybe his fighters can win that way but many boxing fans end up angry, frustrated and not giving a damn about boxing after they watch a man like Wladdy just jab, hook , throw the right hand and tie up inside. He can win that way against a lot of heavyweights, especially shorter ones without a big punch, but I wouldn't call him a warrior or a great fighter, and the whole thing leaves me ice cold about Manny.

Mind you, I'm not calling Steward a bad trainer, just one that cares a whole lot more about his fighters winning than he does about producing great fights that we can remember or warriors that we admire.

In the end, the "W" is all that matters

[cobracore]

In response to the two posters who posted before me, i think that in this case, like all things in life, it is about balance.

Boxing is a profession. At the end of the day, fighters do it to make money. True some fight more for fame that fortune, and i'm sure that many Fighters love the art of boxing itself, but at the end of the day, nobody would box professionally if there weren't money involved.

For this reason, the fans are important, and pleasing the fans is important. With exciting styles, you please the fans, you get a following, you earn more money. ON the same token, however, an exciting style is often a dangerous one, putting not only the record of the fighter, but also his health, on the line.

Men like Gatti make a choice to have an exciting style, but at the same time, pay the price - not only the losses on his record, but also the injuries and pain both present and future, that might not had developed were it not for his blood n guts style.

In order to decide whether or not Manny can be criticized for telling his fighter to pursue a road that perhaps doesn't please the crowds, we must examine the exact role of a trainer.

For myself, the role of the trainer is to try to teach the fighter how to win the fight, and at the same time doing their best to protect their fighter's health. The trainer has no obligation whatsoever to the fans - that is the promoter's job, and partly the fighter's job, but in no way is that an obligation of the trainer. The trainer is there to teach the fighter how to win and receive least damage.

Under this role, Manny excels. Personally, if he tells tall fighters to hold on the inside, i don't think he can be criticized for it - Tall fighters are at disadvantage on the inside, and no trainer should tell their fighter to fight disadvantaged when that disadvantage has a clear solution. In this case, it's holding. Fair enough. Whether or not the fighter does it is his own choice, but rather than criticising Manny for it, i have to applaud him. He's doing all he can for his fighter to win, and i respect that.

[JDizzle79]

In response to the two posters who posted before me, i think that in this case, like all things in life, it is about balance.

Boxing is a profession. At the end of the day, fighters do it to make money. True some fight more for fame that fortune, and i'm sure that many Fighters love the art of boxing itself, but at the end of the day, nobody would box professionally if there weren't money involved.

For this reason, the fans are important, and pleasing the fans is important. With exciting styles, you please the fans, you get a following, you earn more money. ON the same token, however, an exciting style is often a dangerous one, putting not only the record of the fighter, but also his health, on the line.

Men like Gatti make a choice to have an exciting style, but at the same time, pay the price - not only the losses on his record, but also the injuries and pain both present and future, that might not had developed were it not for his blood n guts style.

In order to decide whether or not Manny can be criticized for telling his fighter to pursue a road that perhaps doesn't please the crowds, we must examine the exact role of a trainer.

For myself, the role of the trainer is to try to teach the fighter how to win the fight, and at the same time doing their best to protect their fighter's health. The trainer has no obligation whatsoever to the fans - that is the promoter's job, and partly the fighter's job, but in no way is that an obligation of the trainer. The trainer is there to teach the fighter how to win and receive least damage.

Under this role, Manny excels. Personally, if he tells tall fighters to hold on the inside, i don't think he can be criticized for it - Tall fighters are at disadvantage on the inside, and no trainer should tell their fighter to fight disadvantaged when that disadvantage has a clear solution. In this case, it's holding. Fair enough. Whether or not the fighter does it is his own choice, but rather than criticising Manny for it, i have to applaud him. He's doing all he can for his fighter to win, and i respect that.

good post and good k on the way

[SquareCircle]

imo Manny Steward shines at teaching rangy fighters. if I was a short heavy i'd go with someone else, probably roach.

[THE REAL NINJA]

i just wish Tyson would have had him after Cus then maybe he wouldnt have fell off so fast

[gattifan24]

Sometimes you have to clinch. Chris Byrd got knocked out for not being smart enough to clinch. When you get hurt, grab on. Its fundamental. I'm not saying you do it all the time but you HAVE TO when you get rocked. WHat did Byrd do? Put the earmuffs on. Thats how you get knocked out. I don't think Wlad really held much yesterday at all. In the Peter fight, yes. Yesterday? No

[joeytrimble]

manny is gonna train jermain!!!???

[mECHsLAVE]

He's good, but he really should have slowed Wlad down against Brewster. He just kept telling him he was doing good and that Brewster would fold. That was their first fight together, and I think now they both know each other better and are more of a team. I think Wlad is going to be tough to beat now. Manny knows his strengths and he knows his weaknesses, now. Did anyone notice him telling Wlad to chill and pace himself yesterday between like round 4-5 or somewhere? They seem to be pretty cohesive now, and that spells trouble for the rest of the division.

[joeytrimble]

yeah i think the brewster fight was more of manny not knowing the full extent of wlads stamina issues

[elgaringo]

we'll probably find out how good he is on June 17th

Cool, I hope it's televised over here it's my birthday!!!