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  • Where does GGG/Canelo go from their win/loss if ever they face each other?

    The Can Man

    Let's say GGG beats Canelo and further unifies the division... Well, what next? That doesn't guarantee the other title holder will face him nor does it mean he has any other big names that would generate massive revenue and at the end of the day he basically remains in the same position that he is at now, rapidly aging in a weak division with no names to face.


    Also, one legitamite name on his resume wouldn't excuse his overall garbage hitlist. To make matters worse his team makes out to be like he's in the sport for history and glory yet have accepted step aside money over forcing his mandatory a few times now. His team claimed he would take the big money fights from 154 - 168 if ever they presented themselves and when they did and are(155) his team turns them down. He would supposedly gladly face Mayweather at 154 and Froch/Chavez Jr at 168 but the thought of facing Canelo(155) or Ward at anything above 164 is preposterous.

    Say GGG loses... Well, game over.

    Enter Canelo

    Canelo has faced several top names in the sport and has came out victorious in all but one of his fight thus far. He has a resume that is very difficult to compete with and considering his age, that alone is rather impressive. The down side? He won the lineal and WBC crown at a catch weight and has been competing at a fictional weight class for some time now... With apparently zero intention on moving up.

    Now I'm not going to say his "Caneloweight" (or whatever these boxing hipsters enthusiastically button mash out) is a massive advantage for himself over his opponents, because if one takes a look at fight night weights and such, it's relatively easy to see how both Canelo and his opponents have benefitted from the extra one pound margin in the past. However it is a joke to be considered the guy to beat in a weight division in which the fighter himself doesn't respect neither the division limit nor his opponent enough to fight at the proper weight. Also, don't get me started on the whole Khanelo circus...

    So say Canelo wins, what next? What other big name is out there that would genuinely generate enough interest to continue developing his star power? What other name out there will cause the casuals to get suckered into a "blockbuster showdown"? Currently, I see none.

    If he loses, well... Time is on his side to rebuild and there are more than enough names in and around his "division"(loose term) at the moment that would allow him to regroup and do just that. However there isn't enough big names to do much after rebuilding himself, he would seem rather stagnant for some time until/when and if another budding star begins to rise in the publics eye.

    Honestly, has anyone else thought of this? I think it was the poster PBP on a recent Canelo/GGG thread whom said it best, they aren't marinating the fight... They are milking it as much as possible. Why is that? Could it be because GBP and K2 know something we don't? Is Canelo truly afraid of GGG? Is GGG really after unifying the division above big money fights all though he has taken step aside money several times to allow Canelo to do as he pleases? Or is it because all parties involved are aware of the situation more so than the fans whom scream "duck" and hurl feces covered insults like "lil g" and "Ginger" back and forth at each other like a mob of degenerate monkeys.

    Honestly I think they are all aware of what awaits them once the fight comes to past regardless of the result, a void and emptiness of world class opponents and worse... Weak purses and low star power development. Glory and history is awesome and all, but accolades and fans won't feed these men's family once their careers are done and over with and their names begin to fade to black.

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    Their best best is hoping the first fight is competitive enough to where they can millk a rematch. Or say **** it and go the Pacquiao/ Bradley route and have a trilogy of one sided affairs because it would always sell.

    GGG would have to move up to 168 and possibly 175 to get another big payday while Canelo's best hope is one of the "big name" Welters moving up and facing him. There's plenty of young fighters at 154 who will challenge Canelo, but for the most part they're all high risk low reward. However if he can get past GGG he'll pretty much be set as a huge draw for some time.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Dinamita 03 View Post
      Their best best is hoping the first fight is competitive enough to where they can millk a rematch. Or say **** it and go the Pacquiao/ Bradley route and have a trilogy of one sided affairs because it would always sell.

      GGG would have to move up to 168 and possibly 175 to get another big payday while Canelo's best hope is one of the "big name" Welters moving up and facing him. There's plenty of young fighters at 154 who will challenge Canelo, but for the most part they're all high risk low reward. However if he can get past GGG he'll pretty much be set as a huge draw for some time.
      But GGG is a small middleweight and I doubt he would risk enough to reach 175 in his career. He could very well move to 168 like you said but who exactly is there for him to fight? What's another PPV worthy fight that would continue to nurture GGG's star power? How long before he moves up, if ever that is, considering the fact that his team have stated their intentions to unify the division? How long before he accomplishes said goal and moves up? Because let's be honest here, time is definetly not on his side.

      Canelo may have time but I see no other worthy name other than GGG. I'm sure if he manages to get past GGG his stock and name will hold more weight but how long before the well begins to dry up and the public demands an actual PPV worthy fight against an elite name?

      Idk man... It just seems like there isn't enough world class talent right now in the division to genuinely produce a star with much longevity. Not enough fuel to continue feeding the flames.

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      • #4
        If GGG doens't get a known name on his resume before Canelo and he loses, he takes a big hit in terms of popularity.
        Canelo would probably do ok because the Mexican fanbase isn't as fickle about wins/losses, so long as the guy throws down.

        If GGG wins he definitely reaches star status but he still won't be able to do serious PPVs with a strong B-side. If Canelo wins he's continuing the path to becoming the next Manny Pac. I don't think he's ever achieve that status but he'll be the face of boxing.

        Regarding it being their biggest fight, for GGG it certainly is due to age and unwillingness to budge on weight (just being honest). Canelo is still young and healthy enough that he'll likely see new contenders come and go. I have a hard time believing that GGG will be the biggest fight of his career when we've already seem him do Mayweather and Cotto. There will be future superfights for Canelo.
        Last edited by Redd Foxx; 03-02-2016, 02:59 PM.

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        • #5
          The Can Man...Any Can can get it!


          This is an excellent point though. This will likely be the biggest fight for the remainder of both fighters careers unless somebody else emerges. On one hand my concern is that they will milk this like May/Pac. With May/Pac:

          1. They continued to rake in millions of dollars fight by fight by not fighting each other. Everybody was getting paid.

          2. The fans tuned in because they had something to look forward to.

          3. The story lines created hits for websites

          I hope it doesn't but I can see this happening.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Aztekkas View Post
            But GGG is a small middleweight and I doubt he would risk enough to reach 175 in his career. He could very well move to 168 like you said but who exactly is there for him to fight? What's another PPV worthy fight that would continue to nurture GGG's star power? How long before he moves up, if ever that is, considering the fact that his team have stated their intentions to unify the division? How long before he accomplishes said goal and moves up? Because let's be honest here, time is definetly not on his side.

            Canelo may have time but I see no other worthy name other than GGG. I'm sure if he manages to get past GGG his stock and name will hold more weight but how long before the well begins to dry up and the public demands an actual PPV worthy fight against an elite name?

            Idk man... It just seems like there isn't enough world class talent right now in the division to genuinely produce a star with much longevity. Not enough fuel to continue feeding the flames.


            Idk man it's hard to speculate that far into the future. As far as GGG, maybe a guy like "Zurdo" Ramirez turns out to be a good fighter as well as Degeale. I'm sure both of those potential fights will sell big.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Aztekkas View Post
              The Can Man

              Let's say GGG beats Canelo and further unifies the division... Well, what next? That doesn't guarantee the other title holder will face him nor does it mean he has any other big names that would generate massive revenue and at the end of the day he basically remains in the same position that he is at now, rapidly aging in a weak division with no names to face.


              Also, one legitamite name on his resume wouldn't excuse his overall garbage hitlist. To make matters worse his team makes out to be like he's in the sport for history and glory yet have accepted step aside money over forcing his mandatory a few times now. His team claimed he would take the big money fights from 154 - 168 if ever they presented themselves and when they did and are(155) his team turns them down. He would supposedly gladly face Mayweather at 154 and Froch/Chavez Jr at 168 but the thought of facing Canelo(155) or Ward at anything above 164 is preposterous.

              Say GGG loses... Well, game over.

              Enter Canelo

              Canelo has faced several top names in the sport and has came out victorious in all but one of his fight thus far. He has a resume that is very difficult to compete with and considering his age, that alone is rather impressive. The down side? He won the lineal and WBC crown at a catch weight and has been competing at a fictional weight class for some time now... With apparently zero intention on moving up.

              Now I'm not going to say his "Caneloweight" (or whatever these boxing hipsters enthusiastically button mash out) is a massive advantage for himself over his opponents, because if one takes a look at fight night weights and such, it's relatively easy to see how both Canelo and his opponents have benefitted from the extra one pound margin in the past. However it is a joke to be considered the guy to beat in a weight division in which the fighter himself doesn't respect neither the division limit nor his opponent enough to fight at the proper weight. Also, don't get me started on the whole Khanelo circus...

              So say Canelo wins, what next? What other big name is out there that would genuinely generate enough interest to continue developing his star power? What other name out there will cause the casuals to get suckered into a "blockbuster showdown"? Currently, I see none.

              If he loses, well... Time is on his side to rebuild and there are more than enough names in and around his "division"(loose term) at the moment that would allow him to regroup and do just that. However there isn't enough big names to do much after rebuilding himself, he would seem rather stagnant for some time until/when and if another budding star begins to rise in the publics eye.

              Honestly, has anyone else thought of this? I think it was the poster PBP on a recent Canelo/GGG thread whom said it best, they aren't marinating the fight... They are milking it as much as possible. Why is that? Could it be because GBP and K2 know something we don't? Is Canelo truly afraid of GGG? Is GGG really after unifying the division above big money fights all though he has taken step aside money several times to allow Canelo to do as he pleases? Or is it because all parties involved are aware of the situation more so than the fans whom scream "duck" and hurl feces covered insults like "lil g" and "Ginger" back and forth at each other like a mob of degenerate monkeys.

              Honestly I think they are all aware of what awaits them once the fight comes to past regardless of the result, a void and emptiness of world class opponents and worse... Weak purses and low star power development. Glory and history is awesome and all, but accolades and fans won't feed these men's family once their careers are done and over with and their names begin to fade to black.
              If Golovkin beats Alvarez, the bullseye gets put between his eyes almost immediately; Billy Joe Saunders likely still keeps the WBO belt in the UK, eyeing Saunders-EubankJr II, but "Miracle Man" Daniel Jacobs, his camp, and the WBA comes for that ass (pause). Though the money isn't infinite, DiBella's efforts for Wilder-Povetkin shows that there's likely more money on Jacobs' side than Golovkin's side, leaving Team Golovkin with a decision to make. A loss, depending on what said loss looks like, likely ends Golovkin's run (mystique gone, fans not already rallying to him, scant resume leaving the impression that he was a hypejob, 34 years of age, etc).

              If Alvarez beats Golovkin, he's off to the races, tbh (with the Golovkin fight eyed for the Fall, Alvarez likely doesn't fight again until May 2017, putting him at 27 by the time he gets back in). Rematch with Miguel Cotto for May 2017 (or possibly the Jacobs WBA mandatory), before Alvarez is likely no longer able to comfortably get down to 154/155.

              Alvarez vs Saunders in Fall 2017, and then Alvarez, no different then how things moved with Klitschko, rotates through the mandatory challengers (IBF and WBC are the only organizations that regularly set anything) until he gets beat (Jacobs is another stylistic nightmare for Alvarez). With the move to TV Azteca, and HBO clinging on for stars, Alvarez can fight anyone and be okay.

              If Alvarez loses to Golovkin, and things being what they are, Alvarez goes back to 154, take a fight to regroup, and then targets WBO 154 champ Liam Smith. Win that fight, with WBO rarely calling for mandatory defenses, and Alvarez can keep doing his thing, as long as he's able to make 154; once 154 becomes too difficult, Alvarez targets Billy Joe Saunders.

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              • #8
                You've made future possible scenarios of two boxers but I am not sure what your point is?

                Are you trying to say, based on your conclusions, they should make money as much as possible before the showdown?

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                • #9
                  Golovkin is as big as he's ever gonna be. Period.

                  He's not urban
                  He can hardly speak English
                  He doesn't have "the look."
                  He's not flashy ala Prince Naseem.

                  Even if he beats Canelo and they try to force feed him us, he's no superstar. Never will be.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by -PBP- View Post
                    The Can Man...Any Can can get it!


                    This is an excellent point though. This will likely be the biggest fight for the remainder of both fighters careers unless somebody else emerges. On one hand my concern is that they will milk this like May/Pac. With May/Pac:

                    1. They continued to rake in millions of dollars fight by fight by not fighting each other. Everybody was getting paid.

                    2. The fans tuned in because they had something to look forward to.

                    3. The story lines created hits for websites

                    I hope it doesn't but I can see this happening.
                    Canelo's biggest fights were already Mayweather and Cotto, two future hall of famers. I do not think GGG makes it into the HOF. He is too old, his resume is piss poor, and a loss to Canelo will really expose him as a bad fighter at the elite level because he has not faced anyone as good as Canelo, so the first time he steps up he loses? That would be the end of the Golovkin hype, for good reason.

                    If GGG wins, well then he just got the best win of his career, a JMW coming up in weight, then I guess he will continue to dominate the weak MW division for a couple of more years and retire with his best win as Canelo. Journalists and 97,000 fans love the guy so it's very possible that a sole win over Canelo, coupled with the other wins over the weak MW contenders, they will force him into the HOF.

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