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hbo still has good ratings. ggg, kovalev, crawford bradley still routinely do over 1 million. this just missed one million. it was down but was up against a lot of competition and neither of the two fights were viewed as remotely competitive. Showtimes appears more alarming because they cant even break half a million even with good fights like degale bute or quillin jacbos and hbo has 25% more viewers but 2-3x as many viewers for their boxing shows
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by the way, under your previous screen name you were pretty adamant that PBC would get a 9 figure annual content buy from a network. Do you still believe that, and when exactly will that prediction come to fruition? Because it seems that Haymon really could use the money right about now, unless of course his sudden willingness to let his guys fight overseas on other peoples shows, losing purse bids, and delaying ESPN programming are purely coincidental......Comment
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Stephen Espinoza still hasn't been firedComment
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You keep saying and acknowledging that the promotions for these Haymon fights has not been good but you want to ignore the fact that this all happened AFTER Golden Boy split with Haymon and no longer promotes his fights? Canelo has a huge fanbase but Golden Boy was the premier promoters in the game long before anyone knew who Canelo was. And they signed and developed him from a young age to the biggest superstar in boxing today. Golden Boy promoted Luis Ortiz's last fight which was on Boxing After Dark and that blew the ratings away from what Wilder just did. To act like Golden Boy isn't part of the equation is foolish. Again even the small LA Fight Club fights almost always sellout and have a better atmosphere then most of these Haymon fights. Ortiz is pulling higher ratings then Wilder who prior with Golden Boy drew 1.2mil viewers now without Golden Boy is drawing 500k. Golden Boy is one of if not the best promoters in the game and have a track record of building superstars, packing houses and creating interest in their events. Haymon is now struggling to build superstars, can't fill arenas or create interest in their events but this is not due to losing Golden Boy who are one of if not the best in all these areas? And it's not like Haymon went from Golden Boy number 1 promoter to the number 2 promoter in boxing. He's using very small 3rd rate promoters who are not even in the same ball park as Golden Boy. And it's not just because of Canelo. Mayweather Promotions has Floyd who is as big as you can get as a single fighter yet nobody takes Mayweather Promotions serious. Not even Haymon which is why he barely even uses Mayweather Promotions for PBC event because they are a joke and are a small time promoter.
You are acknowledging the problem with these haymon events not being promoted properly and being a factor but ignoring the most blatantly obvious reason for this. When you go from the best promoters to small time 3rd rate promoters who don't have the same resources, track record of success and experience of course the quality of promotions will suffer. Then you add that fact that these 3rd rate promoters don't even have an incentive to do a good job or have stake in the fighters you get the shyt show with events nobody cares about, events that nobody buys tickets too, events you have to give away tickets now you have a dead crowd that doesn't care at these fights, ectComment
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Yeah you definitly work for Golden Boy or are related to Oscar or Eric
What was the reason for GB sucess was it Shaeffer or Oscar.
I wouldn't call Dibella 3rd rate, Wilder # on Showtime vs Spillska ****** balls but he did avg 2.345 on NBC against a nobody and his KO been viewed over 3.5 million times and did good attendance at Barclays.
Keep on beating on your anti PBC propaganda drum, Hope GB pays you by the word because your on your way to being a very rich manComment
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Dude Schaefer been kicked out almost 2 years ago and Golden Boy still successful. And in the early days nobody knew or cared about Schaefer. Fighters signed to Golden Boy in the early days to be down with Oscar. HBO gave Golden Boy a crap load of fights for the guys in his stable because they wanted to keep Oscar happy and on HBO not because of Schaefer. 2 years in a row promoter of the year WITHOUT that snake Schaefer. I think it's safe to say it was Oscar's brand that made Golden Boy big not Schaefer. Dibella is the best promoter Haymon has right now but he is not a big time promoter. And the rest are all small promoters. And getting 2.3 rating on NBC is terrible considering what NBC and it's competitors (CBS, ABC, FOX, ect draw with new content on prime time) and even worse when you consider that PBC debuted at 3.4 rating earlier that year and EVERY since their debut dropped in ratings. Just because you compare it to HBO/Showtime which is premium cable and totally different business model don't make those good ratings. Those cards on NBC lost so much money for PBC that we aint seen a single NBC fight or NBC affiliate station fight yet in 2016 and is why Haymon has sent all his fights back to Showtime instead of PBC because he can't afford to air them. He paid millions for Network Airtime that he simply is not using. Dan Rafael who works for ESPN just reported
I'm told the 2016 #PBConESPN debut, delayed from January to April, has been pushed back again. No shows until June at this point. #boxing
That's how well Dibella has been at promoting these Haymon fights. Jacobs vs Quillin which he promoted drew only 300k viewers and ratings so bad and lost so much money that he is simply deciding not to air any fights on NBC until mid april and no fights on ESPN until MAYBE June.Last edited by bigdunny1; 03-01-2016, 02:43 PM.Comment
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Has anybody else noticed that Boxingscene doesn't post Showtime numbers anymore? I think the last time they did in an article and not somebody here posting from another source, it was in a defense of why Wilder's Showtime ratings weren't that badComment
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