Ratings: Crawford-Lundy 982K, Santa Cruz-Martinez 297K

[-PBP-]

Glad no one supported that **** Showtime main event. Now put on a fight we actually want to see and let's see the figures.

[original zero]

HBOs #s are garbage

And what the f.uck is with Showtime #s just falling off a cliff.

haymon is training people to get their boxing from the major networks and basic cable.

[-DSG-]

Glad no one supported that **** Showtime main event. Now put on a fight we actually want to see and let's see the figures.

The HBO main event was way worse Hank Lundy is a bum.

[bballchump11]

BS, before al hymie came along showtime was neck and neck with HBO. Now they cant even get more than 500k lol pathetic.

Seriously if boxing ends up dying this decade we can firmly point the finger at haymon.

That's nonsense. It was a big deal whenever any Showtime card would do over 1 million viewers. Only fighters like Canelo, Cotto, Broner, Garcia and Wilder could break that mark. HBO averages around 1 million viewers.

[original zero]

They are mainstream and advertise better to attract casual fans. I was really just comparing HBO and SHO, not bringing in networks or ESPN.

HBO is the #1 premium cable subscription network in the US.

showtime is the #3 premium cable subscription network in the US.


so you were making a selective comparison, which ignored the full reality, which is that HBO is a very very distant third when it comes to US networks that show boxing.

and yes showtime is a distant fourth, but that doesn't change the fact that HBO is slowly becoming irrelevant. showtime is slowly becoming irrelevant too, but with haymon looking to kill off PPV and premium cable, the death of hbo & showtime works out just fine for him.

[about.thousands]

HBO and SHO are going head to head again this weekend. If Santa Cruz-Martinez didn't break 300K, then J-Rock-Matano definitely won't.

It's sad that SHO's last 4 cards (headlined by DeGale-Bute, Jacobs-Quillin, Wilder-Szpilka, and Santa Cruz-Martinez) haven't had one fight break 500K. Their best rating over that stretch was exactly 500K for Wilder-Szpilka.

The McGregor fight is this weekend too.....

[bigdunny1]

Those are actually great numbers for a subscribed network. Not so much for Showtime, though. As others have stated, this is why boxing cards shouldn't do head to head shows. It damages ratings that would have been positive for both networks. *I'd like to thank Al Haymon*

HBO does about 1mil tv ratings this is basically right on par especially for Crawford who's highest ratings EVER on HBO did 1.071 rating. And he just fought a C level fighter coming off a loss and did just slightly less then his highest ever rating. Meanwhile Showtime got 297k. Just slightly over a year ago this is the ratings Showtime got when it went head to head with HBO

http://www.boxingscene.com/hbo-sho-ratings-results-from-dueling-12-13-telecasts--85417

HBO headliner did 966K, Showtime did 762k. This is on par for HBO. Showtime is on life support can't even pull 500k when they are NOT competing on a night with HBO. And now when they are competing can't even pull 300k viewers.

[original zero]

Subscription based network vs free to air networks

he said "HBO maintains its place among fans as the network for boxing."

which is 100% false. 3-4x as many fans get their boxing from NBC & Fox. so HBO does NOT maintain its place among fans as the network for boxing.

the boxing universe has grown far beyond HBO's capacity and HBO is now a very very very distant third place and with CBS about to do a big fight, HBO will be in fourth place.

HBO maintains its place among nerds as the network you pay extra for to see more boxing.

but the biggest events are no longer on HBO.

[bigdunny1]

SHowtime used to have Floyd and Canelo- #1 and #3 biggest draws in the sport at the time. Now they have neither. Added to that Haymon and the promoters that work with him do not promote fights as well as they could.

My point is the ratings pitfall has NOTHING to do with the number of subscribers for HBO vs Showtime. The subscribers is virtually the same as it was a year and half ago when Showtime was pulling 2-3X the amount of TV Ratings. What happened a year and half ago? The GB split with Haymon and Haymon creating PBC 2 huge factors that have crippled Showtime Boxing. And the ratings started falling all last year while Floyd was STILL fighting.

[Mitchell Kane]

HBO is now a very very very distant third place and with CBS about to do a big fight, HBO will be in fourth place.

How much are those other channels currently paying for boxing?

You can talk about what ratings CBS, FOX, NBC, ESPN does with boxing, but it doesn't mean anything if they don't pick up the tab once these time buys end.